I'm tired of all the crap

#21

Shock wrote:

Quote:

Go_Busch wrote:

Kurt Busch drove a hell of a race today...he's had one hell of a year.
With
the ups and downs he won under the new points system given to all the
competitors. He is the champion. Period. Show him some respect.......you
guys seriously are a bunch of aholes sometimes.

Hey, nobody is saying anything bad about Busch (ok, a few are). However,
I don't have a problem with Busch myself. My problem is with the system
itself. KB doesn't deserve the championship, but I don't blame him for
taking it home, anybody would. What we are bummed about is how this
system has changed the sport we've watched our whole lives and how the
guy who has the best year overall isn't necessarily the champion. The
term "champion" in Nascar has been redefined and the new definition
doesn't command near as much respect at the definition of it did in the
past. It's too bad for Busch because he is a very impressive competitor.

I understand your point

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#22

Julia wrote:

Quote:

Go_Busch wrote:

Kurt Busch drove a hell of a race today...he's had one hell of a year.
With
the ups and downs he won under the new points system given to all the
competitors. He is the champion. Period. Show him some respect.......you
guys seriously are a bunch of aholes sometimes.

I'm not going to weigh in with my personal opinion of Busch as it is
completely irrelevant ~ the fact is that since the point champion under
the new rules isn't the same as it would have been if they were scoring
it under the old system there are going to be a large contingent of
people that feel the "champion" doesn't deserve the title.

In many people's opinion the true champion is the one that has shown
that over the course of the season that he had the best record... he
scored more points, won more money, had more wins, more top fives, more
top tens and more poles. It's hard to argue with their logic that he
deserved to be the champion.

So the Yankees won the world series?

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#23

MzsweetpeaRASN wrote:

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Subject: I'm tired of all the crap
From: "Go_Busch" dontgotone (AT) nospam (DOT) com

Kurt Busch drove a hell of a race today...he's had one hell of a year. With
the ups and downs he won under the new points system given to all the
competitors. He is the champion. Period. Show him some respect....

Ah....maybe you should teach Kurt to respect first, then he can earn respect
back.

Why do you think there were so many boo's when he was introduced today?

because nascar fans are dumb rednecks that root for names rather than talent

Quote:

Why do you think there was little cheering at the presentation of the trophy?

because his name isn't dale junior

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Mz JJ

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#24

America is #1 wrote:

Quote:

In article <1K8od.18691$233.16093@okepread05>,
"Go_Busch" <dontgotone (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:

Kurt Busch drove a hell of a race today

Pity the rest of his year only earned him 4th place.

can you not fathom the fact that drivers secured into the top ten
earlier in the year did not drive agressively, rather choosing to just
do enough to secure their spot? He did what he had to do. He said it in
interviews that they were doing what they needed to do in order to set
up the drive for the final ten. I am sure guys like Stewart, Sadler and
Kenseth did the exact same thing.

You keep throwing out the "old points" arguement, but those are not true
numbers as their is no "control" factor in the experiement.

Quote:

Nobody questioned whether Michael Schumacher truly earned his 2004 WDC.
Ditto Bourdais.

If Busch is ever introduced to Schumacher or Bourdais, Busch better
never let it slip that he actually finished 4th in points.

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#25

Moses Brown wrote:

Quote:

Julia wrote:

Go_Busch wrote:

Kurt Busch drove a hell of a race today...he's had one hell of a
year. With
the ups and downs he won under the new points system given to all the
competitors. He is the champion. Period. Show him some respect.......you
guys seriously are a bunch of aholes sometimes.

I'm not going to weigh in with my personal opinion of Busch as it is
completely irrelevant ~ the fact is that since the point champion
under the new rules isn't the same as it would have been if they were
scoring it under the old system there are going to be a large
contingent of people that feel the "champion" doesn't deserve the title.

In many people's opinion the true champion is the one that has shown
that over the course of the season that he had the best record... he
scored more points, won more money, had more wins, more top fives,
more top tens and more poles. It's hard to argue with their logic
that he deserved to be the champion.

So the Yankees won the world series?

no, but they also didn't have the best record in baseball.... but that
is also completely irrelevant.

Team sports don't go head to head against each other on a weekly basis.
Each team isn't playing the exact same schedule at the exact same time
under the exact same conditions ~ so a comparison of their statistics
wouldn't be a fair way to determine their championship. The same can't
be said for NASCAR ~ these guys do compete against each other every
single week so their cumulative stats are definitely more meaningful
than a 10 race comparison.

#26

Douglas BISHOP wrote:

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"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Go_Busch wrote:

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Go_Busch wrote:

Kurt Busch drove a hell of a race today...he's had one hell of a year.

With

the ups and downs he won under the new points system given to all the
competitors. He is the champion. Period. Show him some

respect.......you

guys seriously are a bunch of aholes sometimes.

Hey, nobody is saying anything bad about Busch (ok, a few are).
However, I don't have a problem with Busch myself. My problem is with
the system itself. KB doesn't deserve the championship, but I don't
blame him for taking it home, anybody would. What we are bummed about
is how this system has changed the sport we've watched our whole lives
and how the guy who has the best year overall isn't necessarily the
champion. The term "champion" in Nascar has been redefined and the new
definition doesn't command near as much respect at the definition of it
did in the past. It's too bad for Busch because he is a very impressive
competitor.

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Shock

Very well said. Change is inevitable in sports. Here's a question. Do

you

honestly consider Matt Kensenth more of a champion than Kurt? Matt won

under

the "old" points system. Kurt had more wins this year than Matt did last
year. Not to mention also that Kensenth had 11 top5s and 25 top10s.

Kurt

has 10 top5s 21 top 10s. There's not really much of a difference. I

honestly

can't figure this out. I would consider Kurt more of a champion than

Matt

because of the number of wins? What do you think?

I think it is difficult to compare statistics from one year to
statistics from another ~ but overall, yes, IMO Matt is a more deserving
champion than Busch because over the course of the year Matt scored more
points than anyone else ~ Busch did not.

When Matt won he also scored more top 10s than anyone else ~ Busch did
not. In fact, there is not one important statistic that Busch did lead
in all year ~ not points, money, wins, top 5s, top 10s or poles. In any
other season there is no possible way that he would have been the
champion, but because of the manufactured ratings booster "chase for the
championship" we have to accept it.

Well after today he has led in money for the season....what with that 5.2
million big assed check....

well yeah, he may lead in that category now ~ but since the argument
would be that he didn't deserve the championship he didn't deserve the
check to put him over the top either....

#27

Go_Busch <dontgotone (AT) nospam (DOT) com> spewed:

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you guys seriously are a bunch of aholes sometimes.

So is your driver.

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#28

"Moses Brown" <soulphishjenkins (AT) yarharharhoo (DOT) com> wrote in message

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I understand your point

Must match the one on your head.

#29

W2K3server (AT) Microsoft (DOT) com wrote:

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"Moses Brown" <soulphishjenkins (AT) yarharharhoo (DOT) com> wrote in message

I understand your point

Must match the one on your head.

wow. did you think of that all by yourself?

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"you know you are only going to have one opportunity in your entire life
to enjoy yourself, but don't worry it's not too late. You didn't miss
it. It's right now. It's always gonna be...right now."
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#30

In article <F_aod.32130$hc5.19388647 (AT) news4 (DOT) srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
Julia <julia.dmbangel2004 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

well yeah, he may lead in that category now ~ but since the argument
would be that he didn't deserve the championship

According to the organization that sanctions the races,
that they all run under, he did.
When RASN starts up their own sanctioning body,
it might be different.

Dan
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