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Default Re: Jeff Burton is a Class Act - 04-17-2007 , 12:18 PM






In article <f02h8f$hg3a$1 (AT) usenet (DOT) osg.ufl.edu>,
jimmygator (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:


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Ok then, how about "act like you've been there before"...
just another cliche.

See this is the whole point.
Kenseth, Busch, Johnson, Stewart
HAVE been there before!
They HAVE won championships!
No less significant, than any other's championship.

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DE had never won the D500 in how many tries and it was fitting to do a
slide across the graphic.
Yeah.
And he was my favorite driver.
But he's dead.
Waltrip is retired.
Wallace is retired.
Martin is almost retired.
Jarrett is done.
Schrader never was.
All these old guys are just that... old guys.

The new guys do, and the new crowd, accept
and expect burnouts, like old farts look
for the Polish Victory Lap.
That was a good tribute.
The first time.
But the 'new' crowd, doesn't even know who Kulwicki was.

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Doing burnouts, unless its to heat up your tires, is plain childish.
How's that for a reason?
I don't think it's a reason, I think it's an opinion.

If it's what you believe, that's all that matters.

I think team dancing in the end zone is silly.
I think a 6'5" 240lb pitcher wearing a
huge gold necklace is silly.
I think jumping up in the air and pounding chests
after scoring the 3rd basket in a game that will see 100
of them, is silly.
I think standing at home plate and watching your ball go
over the fence is insulting.

But I also know, that this is what today's crowd accepts.
I don't have to like it.
But I do understand it.
And I don't think it has anything to do with
"being there before"....
I just accept that things change,
and realize that I can't live in the past.

Hey, my preference?
I like getting the checkered flag,
and taking a regular old Saturday night victory lap..
Talk about old fashioned!!








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Default Re: Jeff Burton is a Class Act - 04-17-2007 , 12:37 PM








Chuck Steak wrote:
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In article <f02h8f$hg3a$1 (AT) usenet (DOT) osg.ufl.edu>,
jimmygator (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:


Ok then, how about "act like you've been there before"...

just another cliche.

See this is the whole point.
Kenseth, Busch, Johnson, Stewart
HAVE been there before!
They HAVE won championships!
No less significant, than any other's championship.

DE had never won the D500 in how many tries and it was fitting to do a
slide across the graphic.

Yeah.
And he was my favorite driver.
But he's dead.
Waltrip is retired.
Wallace is retired.
Martin is almost retired.
Jarrett is done.
Schrader never was.
All these old guys are just that... old guys.

The new guys do, and the new crowd, accept
and expect burnouts, like old farts look
for the Polish Victory Lap.
That was a good tribute.
The first time.
But the 'new' crowd, doesn't even know who Kulwicki was.

Doing burnouts, unless its to heat up your tires, is plain childish.
How's that for a reason?

I don't think it's a reason, I think it's an opinion.
You don't think it to be a childish act?

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If it's what you believe, that's all that matters.

I think team dancing in the end zone is silly.
I think a 6'5" 240lb pitcher wearing a
huge gold necklace is silly.
I think jumping up in the air and pounding chests
after scoring the 3rd basket in a game that will see 100
of them, is silly.
I think standing at home plate and watching your ball go
over the fence is insulting.

But I also know, that this is what today's crowd accepts.
I don't have to like it.
But I do understand it.
And I don't think it has anything to do with
"being there before"....
I just accept that things change,
and realize that I can't live in the past.
these new fans you speak of seem to like to watching wrecks over racing
so why aren't these new breed of drivers wrecking more often?

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Hey, my preference?
I like getting the checkered flag,
and taking a regular old Saturday night victory lap..
Talk about old fashioned!!

Agreed!

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G

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Default Re: Jeff Burton is a Class Act - 04-17-2007 , 02:34 PM



In article <f02t4e$ek00$1 (AT) usenet (DOT) osg.ufl.edu>,
jimmygator (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:

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You don't think it to be a childish act?
not really.
I don't see the connection.

I don't think there is a certain
"way it should be done" when it comes to what you
do after you win a big race.
It's your win, your moment of glory, your trophy,
you do what you want.

In fact, I thought some of the ones that Kurt Busch did
were quite creative.
Like the reverse burnout against his pit wall with his crew
standing on the wall, pumping their arms,
or the one where he wrote " 97" on the track...
How could you think that those guys weren't
having the time of their lives?
Celebrating a Nextel Cup win...
You know how many weekend warriors just dream about
getting there? Let alone, winning there?
Let alone a title???

You wanna smoke the shit out of your tires???
Have at it!!!

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these new fans you speak of seem to like to watching wrecks over racing
so why aren't these new breed of drivers wrecking more often?
Not that it deserves a comment, but NASCAR promotes the
wrecks more than the racing, unlike other forms of
motorsports....
So no one can complain, if people talk about stock car fans
"going for the crashes"...
Even though I don't agree with that particular opinion.

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Hey, my preference?
I like getting the checkered flag,
and taking a regular old Saturday night victory lap..
Talk about old fashioned!!

Agreed!
cool..


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Default Re: Jeff Burton is a Class Act - 04-18-2007 , 01:15 AM



MWB wrote:

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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote in message
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"MWB" <bickmar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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In article <1176679763.098950.171540 (AT) e65g2000hsc (DOT) googlegroups.com>,

"Ron"

BigELilE05 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:


Why take a chance on ruining a winning car?

If it were as big a deal, as people make it out to be...
there would be 'orders'.... from the owners.


DE warned Jr. about damaging a motor.


Big deal. How many blown motors have you seen from a burnout? How many
Crew Chiefs or owners have you seen ban their drivers from doing burnouts
in
order to protect a motor?

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net





Dale Earnhardt told his son, after winning a Busch race that if he damaged
the motor doing a celebration burnout, he'd have to pay for the motor.

Didn't you understand my post?


Mark









he also told him that if he held him up any longer he'd have to find a
new ride home... I doubt the cost of an engine would hurt the pocket
book too much.


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Default Re: Jeff Burton is a Class Act - 04-18-2007 , 01:19 AM



Gordon wrote:

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Chuck Steak wrote:

In article <462439de$0$5802$4c368faf (AT) roadrunner (DOT) com>, "MWB"
bickmar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Geeze, my favorite driver is Ricky Craven (currently unemployed) and
when he won two races it was great not to see him burning up a motor.
I like Jeff Burton and it was so nice to see someone act like a pro.


Mark


See.. this is what I was talking about earlier...
Acting like a pro?

Today's standards have changed.
The "pro's" DO burnouts..
The crowd LOVES burnouts.
The PROS give the audience what it wants...
simple.
What would be more accurate would be
"I like seeing them celebrate like they did
did in the old days".
Burnouts are an extreme donut.
And they have been doing donuts for a LONG time...

I agree with Mike 100%.
I wish people would just say
"I hate watching a guy do burnouts"
rather than all of the other reasons, that just don't make any sense..
(unprofessional, engine damage, body damage,
concern for the motor builders, yada, yada, yada...)


Ok then, how about "act like you've been there before"...

DE had never won the D500 in how many tries and it was fitting to do a
slide across the graphic. Now if this continued after every win
thereafter, I'd say once was enough...

Doing burnouts, unless its to heat up your tires, is plain childish.

How's that for a reason?

G
I'm trying to remember a few years back where the first and second place
finishers were teammates and both started doing donuts in the grass and
burnouts... I thought the first loser celebrating like that was too
much. Something tells me it might have been JJ.


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Default Re: Jeff Burton is a Class Act - 04-18-2007 , 01:22 AM



Mark wrote:

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On Apr 15, 5:44 pm, RES2CUE28 <res2... (AT) mountaincable (DOT) net> wrote:

Billy Ryman wrote:

Burton explained several years ago that he doesn't believe in "burn outs".
He went on to say that the people in the engine and fab shops work too damn
hard for him to abuse the equipment like that.

He is a class act.

why? they are going to tear that engine apart and completely rebuild it
from scratch anyways... It's not like he is saving them any work.



They are going to rebuild it but if the part was damaged and maybe
about to fail, the team would have no way of knowing of whether or not
it was about to fail on track and cost them a race later, or if it was
done during the abuse of the post race burn outs. If you want burn
outs, go to the drag races. They never have had a place in Nascar.
Old schoolers don't do burn outs. Jeff Burton is old school.


Welcome to the new school... Old schoolers are planning retirements...
(some for the 3rd or 4th time)


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Default Re: Jeff Burton is a Class Act - 04-18-2007 , 11:01 PM




"RES2CUE28" <res2cue (AT) mountaincable (DOT) net> wrote

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Gordon wrote:



Chuck Steak wrote:

In article <462439de$0$5802$4c368faf (AT) roadrunner (DOT) com>, "MWB"
bickmar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Geeze, my favorite driver is Ricky Craven (currently unemployed) and
when he won two races it was great not to see him burning up a motor. I
like Jeff Burton and it was so nice to see someone act like a pro.


Mark


See.. this is what I was talking about earlier...
Acting like a pro?

Today's standards have changed.
The "pro's" DO burnouts..
The crowd LOVES burnouts.
The PROS give the audience what it wants...
simple.
What would be more accurate would be
"I like seeing them celebrate like they did
did in the old days".
Burnouts are an extreme donut.
And they have been doing donuts for a LONG time...

I agree with Mike 100%.
I wish people would just say
"I hate watching a guy do burnouts"
rather than all of the other reasons, that just don't make any sense..
(unprofessional, engine damage, body damage,
concern for the motor builders, yada, yada, yada...)


Ok then, how about "act like you've been there before"...

DE had never won the D500 in how many tries and it was fitting to do a
slide across the graphic. Now if this continued after every win
thereafter, I'd say once was enough...

Doing burnouts, unless its to heat up your tires, is plain childish.

How's that for a reason?

G
I'm trying to remember a few years back where the first and second place
finishers were teammates and both started doing donuts in the grass and
burnouts... I thought the first loser celebrating like that was too much.
Something tells me it might have been JJ.
I think it was Kyle Busch.


Mark




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Default Re: Jeff Burton is a Class Act - 04-18-2007 , 11:03 PM




"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote

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"MWB" <bickmar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Mike, please excuse my stupidity. I was rude and I'm sorry. You are a
gentleman.

All right - that's enough of that stuff Mark. I have a reputation to
protect and you calling me names like that is harmful to my reputation.
BTW - you weren't rude at all - at least not that I saw. As far as
stupidity goes, heck, that's a badge of honor. Pity those who think they
know it all.

Not no more. Your reputation is ruined.


Mark




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Default Re: Jeff Burton is a Class Act - 04-19-2007 , 10:15 PM




"Ron" <BigELilE05 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
On Apr 15, 6:44 pm, RES2CUE28 <res2... (AT) mountaincable (DOT) net> wrote:
Billy Ryman wrote:
Burton explained several years ago that he doesn't believe in "burn
outs".
He went on to say that the people in the engine and fab shops work too
damn
hard for him to abuse the equipment like that.

He is a class act.

why? they are going to tear that engine apart and completely rebuild it
from scratch anyways... It's not like he is saving them any work.

But as seen in the past (Harvick), you can explode the rear tires and
destroy the sheet metal/quarterpanels.

Why take a chance on ruining a winning car?
And as far as the engine goes I'm sure the engine guys would really like to
see the actual post race condition of the internal parts when they tear it
down. This could be valuable information for the future rather than
examining a wadded up puddle of shrapnel in the bottom of the oil pan. Burn
outs are for dum basses! Once you've seen a couple it's like drum
solos....they are all the same.





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Default Re: Jeff Burton is a Class Act - 04-19-2007 , 10:18 PM



"MWB" <bickmar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

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"Chuck Steak" <chuck_steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message
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In article <1176679763.098950.171540 (AT) e65g2000hsc (DOT) googlegroups.com>, "Ron"
BigELilE05 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:


Why take a chance on ruining a winning car?

If it were as big a deal, as people make it out to be...
there would be 'orders'.... from the owners.


DE warned Jr. about damaging a motor.

Mark


No problem there. He's got to win one in order to damage a motor in a burn
out. Dad shouldda warned him about trashing his car DURING a race.





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