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Jeffama bin Gordon...
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Re: Jeffama bin Gordon... -
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"Darksentinel" <darksentinel (AT) removedamunge (DOT) charter.fromthisaddy.net wrote I don't agree how the OP stated this, but he is pretty much right. If this was the first round of pit stops, I might be inclined to concur with you. However, it wasn't, and he should have known where his pit stall was. Not to mention a few a facts here. If you see a blue NAPA car in front of you, a pit wall with a NAPA banner, and a bunch of guys wearing blue firesuits that have NAPA on them, I would kind of think "Hmmmm...looks like the NAPA car is going to pit." Bottom line, he had a GIANT brain fart, and things could have turned out REAL bad. I agree with the giant brain fart part - and I think that's pretty much what Gordon admitted himself in the post race interview. I was disapponted in some of Gordon's other comments though. He started down the road of "NASCAR's got to do something..." and that's the part where I thought "Bull". It was a simple screw up and he was the one responsible for it. It's getting old, these drivers whining that NASCAR's got to do something about the mistakes they make. That's precisely what's wrong these days - NASCAR has gotten too involved in regulating every little thing. A driver screws up and suddenly NASCAR's got to do something. It has an even more hollow ring when a driver says NSACAR has to do something to address their own behavior. Fine - Gordon should have realized the 15 was pitted behind him and shame on him for not realizing it which resulted in Sunday's incident, but that's where it ends - simple human error. To suggest that there should now be a rule that disallows passing on pit road when you are the one who just tried to do it is a bit silly. And then I heard(possibly incorrectly) that suitcase-face "wasn't sure if Michael was going to pit"?? Well then what do you think he was doing going down pit lane - catching his breath?? Obviously, he didn't realize Waltrip was where he was. Bud, how the hell do you miss a big blue car right in front of you? I think he meant that Gordo didn't realize the 15 was pitted behind him. Not much relief in that statement though, 'cause I still can't see why you wouldn't know who is pitted on either end of your own car. We've all made mistakes bud, but THIS one was potentially fatal. Like I said, MAJOR brain fart. Every brain fart in racing is potentially fatal. I can't get particularly fired up over this one since I see everyone as high risk. It's the nature of the sport and something you have to realize every week. In part, the risk is part of the attraction. You watch every week, drawn in part by the fact that everything they do is virtually on the edge. Every day people could not do this stuff. It is dangerous - but that's why you watch. These are the guys that have honed themselves in every respect in order to be capable of operating in a dangerous and high risk environment - an environment that you and I would not necessarilly engage in. For the most part they pull it off week after week. Once in a while they don't. Fortunately, when it goes wrong, it has a more spectacular look to it on TV than what the actual results reflect. |
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Mike Marlow wrote: I agree with the giant brain fart part - and I think that's pretty much what Gordon admitted himself in the post race interview. I was disapponted in some of Gordon's other comments though. He started down the road of "NASCAR's got to do something..." and that's the part where I thought "Bull". It was a simple screw up and he was the one responsible for it. Did you ever consider that it might be part of the psychological makeup of drivers at this level. What separates them from guys one level down isn't necessarily talent, but supreme self-confidence. Thus, it is natural for them to think that when they make a mistake, it wasn't really a mistake, but a set of circumstances that conspired to deal them misfortune, but which can be rectified through proper regulation? It isn't whining, it's the way their brains work. It's necessary for their brains to work that way to get where they are. I've observed that sort of behavior in upper-echelon race-car drivers all over the world ever since I started watching racing as a little kid. I've come to accept that it's part of the mix, and don't get upset by it anymore. I'm sure the sanctioning bodies also have some understanding of this, and usually just smile, nod, and ignore the drivers when they act like this. |
and should not be held to the same standards that the other drivers are
right? I have to disagree with that. If anything, drivers at that level
should be held to a higher standard. Just once I'd like to hear him in
particular just admit when he screws up, and not add any of the other
bullshit. Just a "Hey guys, I'm human, I screwed up. Sorry.". Is that too
much to ask for?
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Before you disagree with a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way
if you still disagree, you're a mile away, AND you have his shoes.
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Again bud, blue banner with NAPA on it. Pit crew with blue fire suits with NAPA written across it. Did he think THEY were going to service his car? Was there a sudden crossover in universes that somehow changed the spelling of DuPont to NAPA? If I'm in the Interstate Batteries car I'm not going to pit in a stall if the banner says CAT. Were it ME, I would make sure where my stall was and who was around me so as to maybe come up with a pit strategy for green flag stops. But that's just me I guess. We've all made mistakes bud, but THIS one was potentially fatal. Like I said, MAJOR brain fart. Isn't it good to walk around feeling superior to Jeff Gordon? Who said I was feeling superior to Gordon? To me, it just shows the Gordonites that he IS fallible, and makes mistakes just like the rest of us. -- Darksentinel Go #18!!! Before you disagree with a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way if you still disagree, you're a mile away, AND you have his shoes. A Gordonite admit that his driver is human? The NHL will have a game on an |
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A Gordonite admit that his driver is human? The NHL will have a game on an outdoor rink first. |
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So in essence, you're saying that drivers at that level are above the law, |
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and should not be held to the same standards that the other drivers are right? |
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If anything, drivers at that level should be held to a higher standard. |
Clearly, you don't get it.
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| Darksentinel wrote: So in essence, you're saying that drivers at that level are above the law, The law? WTF are you on? and should not be held to the same standards that the other drivers are right? I'm talking about pretty much all the drivers in Cup. If anything, drivers at that level should be held to a higher standard. Standard of what? Clearly, you don't get it. |
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"Darksentinel" <darksentinel (AT) removedamunge (DOT) charter.fromthisaddy.net wrote Again bud, blue banner with NAPA on it. Pit crew with blue fire suits with NAPA written across it. Did he think THEY were going to service his car? Was there a sudden crossover in universes that somehow changed the spelling of DuPont to NAPA? If I'm in the Interstate Batteries car I'm not going to pit in a stall if the banner says CAT. Were it ME, I would make sure where my stall was and who was around me so as to maybe come up with a pit strategy for green flag stops. But that's just me I guess. We've all made mistakes bud, but THIS one was potentially fatal. Like I said, MAJOR brain fart. Isn't it good to walk around feeling superior to Jeff Gordon? Who said I was feeling superior to Gordon? To me, it just shows the Gordonites that he IS fallible, and makes mistakes just like the rest of us. -- Darksentinel Go #18!!! Before you disagree with a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way if you still disagree, you're a mile away, AND you have his shoes. A Gordonite admit that his driver is human? The NHL will have a game on an outdoor rink first. g |
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Go #18!!!
Why is it that some people never have time to do it right
the first time, but they always have time to do it over again?
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Darksentinel wrote: What am I NOT getting Barry? He screwed up bad, and no excuse that you can come up with changes that fact. i never tried to make any excuse. He made a mistake, end of story. The discussion was about the tendency of top-level drivers to believe that they were not at fault for whatever event. I have repeatably, consistently observed this behavior in top level professional race drivers since I've been watching racing, and that's since I was 4 years old. This observation leads me to believe that it is a necessary part of the psychological makeup of successful race-car drivers. I'm not making any comment about what they "should" or "should not" do. I was commenting on what they *do* do. I'm a positivist, not a normativist. bp |
The Posner Putdown Of The Year (PPOTY).
From: "Barry Posner" <bup100 (AT) psu (DOT) edu>
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:19 PM
I swear, every week I think I've witnessed
the lowest scrapings of the gene pool in this NG,
and every week some clown comes along and displays
new, untapped depths of stupidity.
bp
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"Barry Posner" <bup100 (AT) psu (DOT) edu> wrote in message news:3F6862E1.3BC4B40B (AT) psu (DOT) edu... Darksentinel wrote: So in essence, you're saying that drivers at that level are above the law, The law? WTF are you on? and should not be held to the same standards that the other drivers are right? I'm talking about pretty much all the drivers in Cup. If anything, drivers at that level should be held to a higher standard. Standard of what? Clearly, you don't get it. This Darksentinel guy could be the bizarro CFS of the RASN world. "http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/bizarro.php" ($ to DC comics) ;-) |
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Darksentinel wrote: What am I NOT getting Barry? He screwed up bad, and no excuse that you can come up with changes that fact. i never tried to make any excuse. He made a mistake, end of story. The discussion was about the tendency of top-level drivers to believe that they were not at fault for whatever event. I have repeatably, consistently observed this behavior in top level professional race drivers since I've been watching racing, and that's since I was 4 years old. This observation leads me to believe that it is a necessary part of the psychological makeup of successful race-car drivers. I'm not making any comment about what they "should" or "should not" do. I was commenting on what they *do* do. I'm a positivist, not a normativist. |
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Darksentinel
Go #18!!!
Before you disagree with a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way
if you still disagree, you're a mile away, AND you have his shoes.
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