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smk17
 
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Default Jimmie Johnson respect - 11-05-2009 , 11:09 AM






Please answer truthfully.

How many of you hold in higher esteem Matt Kenseth's 1 Nascar
Championship than the 4 Jimmie Johnson championship's wrapped
together?

I do.

The Chase is wrong. When only one race can knock a chase contender out
of contention, it's wrong. As I've always said, the entire NASCAR
season is the marathon, you don't see people stopping the guy out
front of the Boston Marathon 100 yards from the finish line, asking
him to wait until all the other runners who didn't do as good as him
can catch up. I just keep shaking my head at that theory in absolute
bewilderment.

There is no racing in the chase races. Talladega was a perfect
example. Jimmie Johnson was sitting at the back so he didn't crash.
That's not racing.

All the cars out there that are no longer in the Chase... how much
more insignificant and invisible can any other entity in any sport be?
Even a bat boy has more mojo than those non-chase cars.

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Mike Marlow
 
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Default Re: Jimmie Johnson respect - 11-05-2009 , 02:49 PM






"smk17" <smk17 (AT) cornell (DOT) edu> wrote

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Please answer truthfully.

How many of you hold in higher esteem Matt Kenseth's 1 Nascar
Championship than the 4 Jimmie Johnson championship's wrapped
together?

I do.

I most certainly do not. Kenseth won that title by staying out of trouble
and playing the numbers. He didn't race for that title. At least Johnson
races for the title.

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The Chase is wrong. When only one race can knock a chase contender out
of contention, it's wrong.
This may be true, but Johnson - as apposed to Kenseth, races to win each
race. He earned his titles.

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As I've always said, the entire NASCAR
season is the marathon, you don't see people stopping the guy out
front of the Boston Marathon 100 yards from the finish line, asking
him to wait until all the other runners who didn't do as good as him
can catch up. I just keep shaking my head at that theory in absolute
bewilderment.

No arguement here that the Chase sucks. But - it's here. You can cry about
it forever, but it's what the program is.


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There is no racing in the chase races. Talladega was a perfect
example. Jimmie Johnson was sitting at the back so he didn't crash.
That's not racing.
Wrong. Talladega was Talladega. It is not at all representative of races
at other tracks. I will grant you the the COT has taken a lot of the racing
out of racing, but that's a different horse.

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All the cars out there that are no longer in the Chase... how much
more insignificant and invisible can any other entity in any sport be?
Even a bat boy has more mojo than those non-chase cars.

Now that is pure BS.

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Rick
 
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Default Re: Jimmie Johnson respect - 11-05-2009 , 02:58 PM



On Nov 5, 1:49 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM... (AT) windstream (DOT) net> wrote:
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"smk17" <sm... (AT) cornell (DOT) edu> wrote in message

I most certainly do not. Kenseth won that title by staying out of trouble
and playing the numbers. He didn't race for that title. At least Johnson
races for the title.

The Chase is wrong. When only one race can knock a chase contender out
of contention, it's wrong.

The old points system could have easily been fixed
by rewarding winners with considerably more points
and by give full-time drivers several mulligans.
That would have put the emphasis on winning and
less on playing it safe and sheer dumb luck.

-Rick

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Vandar
 
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Default Re: Jimmie Johnson respect - 11-05-2009 , 03:26 PM



Mike Marlow wrote:

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"smk17" <smk17 (AT) cornell (DOT) edu> wrote in message
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Please answer truthfully.

How many of you hold in higher esteem Matt Kenseth's 1 Nascar
Championship than the 4 Jimmie Johnson championship's wrapped
together?

I do.



I most certainly do not. Kenseth won that title by staying out of trouble
and playing the numbers. He didn't race for that title. At least Johnson
races for the title.
Staying out trouble and playing the numbers is how you win titles.
I give more weight to Kenseth's win, as he had to accumulate more points
than 42 other drivers over the course of 36 races.
Johnson only had to accumulate more points than 9 or 11 drivers over the
course of 10 races.
Johnson wins sprints. Kenseth won a marathon.

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The Chase is wrong. When only one race can knock a chase contender out
of contention, it's wrong.


This may be true, but Johnson - as apposed to Kenseth, races to win each
race. He earned his titles.
Are you actually implying that Kenseth didn't earn his title?

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As I've always said, the entire NASCAR
season is the marathon, you don't see people stopping the guy out
front of the Boston Marathon 100 yards from the finish line, asking
him to wait until all the other runners who didn't do as good as him
can catch up. I just keep shaking my head at that theory in absolute
bewilderment.



No arguement here that the Chase sucks. But - it's here. You can cry about
it forever, but it's what the program is.
For now. Give it a couple more years.

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deadguy3
 
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Default Re: Jimmie Johnson respect - 11-05-2009 , 03:54 PM



On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:58:29 -0800 (PST), Rick wrote:

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On Nov 5, 1:49 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM... (AT) windstream (DOT) net> wrote:
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The old points system could have easily been fixed
by rewarding winners with considerably more points
and by give full-time drivers several mulligans.
That would have put the emphasis on winning and
less on playing it safe and sheer dumb luck.

-Rick
u are correct, u get 5 bonus points.

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Rick
 
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Default Re: Jimmie Johnson respect - 11-05-2009 , 05:42 PM



On Nov 5, 2:54 pm, deadguy3 <m... (AT) sakha (DOT) net> wrote:
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:58:29 -0800 (PST), Rick wrote:

The old points system could have easily been fixed
by rewarding winners with considerably more points
and by give full-time drivers several mulligans.
That would have put the emphasis on winning and
less on playing it safe and sheer dumb luck.

-Rick

u are correct, u get 5 bonus points.
Only 5. How about Brian France's job?

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Rod's SHAW
 
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Default Re: Jimmie Johnson respect - 11-05-2009 , 05:50 PM



"Rick" <pearl (AT) cray (DOT) com> wrote

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On Nov 5, 1:49 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM... (AT) windstream (DOT) net> wrote:

The old points system could have easily been fixed
by rewarding winners with considerably more points
ah-HA !!! Someone is thinking :>)

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and by give full-time drivers several mulligans.
That would have put the emphasis on winning and
less on playing it safe and sheer dumb luck.

-Rick

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Joey Tribiani
 
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Default Re: Jimmie Johnson respect - 11-07-2009 , 03:16 PM



"Tim Shelton" <noemail1543 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote



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The answer, manipulate the rules, know
the edge, and just perhaps, cheat.
when all else is equal, as you claim, it can only be the difference in
driver that makes the difference...

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Lesmond
 
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Default Re: Jimmie Johnson respect - 11-07-2009 , 07:43 PM



On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:09:10 -0800 (PST), smk17 wrote:

Quote:
Please answer truthfully.

How many of you hold in higher esteem Matt Kenseth's 1 Nascar
Championship than the 4 Jimmie Johnson championship's wrapped
together?

I do.
I completely agree.

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TS02_05champ
 
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Default Re: Jimmie Johnson respect - 11-07-2009 , 07:55 PM



Chuck Steak wrote:
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That's like saying the Patriots (for example) "manipulate" the rules better
than other teams, that's why they win.
They win, because they play the game better.
And use, excuse me, used video cameras illegally!

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