Jimmie Johnson's Car Illegal for Qualifying

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"Nancy1" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote

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Richard Cranium wrote:
Better explaination from jayski.com......

disallowed by NASCAR. There are a bunch of other issues in the garage
area. In fact, some issues with the #31 team of Jeff Burton. That's
right. Your Daytona 500 polesitter. Those issues have to do with the
engine, and that's being hotly discussed in the garage area right now.
In the media center after the Budweiser Shootout, NASCAR said it is
researching several things from post-500 qualifying tech, including
Burton's car as well as the #24 car of Jeff Gordon.(FoxSports), see
qualifying results on my Daytona 500 Qualifying/Grid page.

See? Just rumors to stir things up - of course, they're going to look
at the top two Q spots. They always do a really thorough post-Q
inspection on the pole-sitter. But there is NOTHING further in Jayski
about the top two Q'fiers, so, boys, this is how rumors start and grow.
Shame on Jayski and shame on DW for perpetuating this stuff.

N.

Jayski's page is titled "News and Rumors"
Anyone who passes on anything they read there as fact is irresponsible.

#22

"armpit" <udontneedit (AT) myemail (DOT) addy> wrote

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Happened to us once as well on a air cleaner spacer that had been approved
by the previous season's tech inspector.

Lost points & money for the evening.
Pretty standard for local tracks. Where do you race?

Carey in Manvel

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Happened to us once as well on a air cleaner spacer that had been
approved by the previous season's tech inspector.

Lost points & money for the evening.
Pretty standard for local tracks. Where do you race?

Carey in Manvel

Nowhere now. Used to race in Rockford Illinois years ago.

A little trivia from Rockford: Chad Knaus' father won 6 track championships
in a row with Chad as his crew chief. I guess the folks in Rockford know now
how he did it....

Also, Chad had a full head of blonde hair then, too.

#24

"armpit" <udontneedit (AT) myemail (DOT) addy> wrote

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Nowhere now. Used to race in Rockford Illinois years ago.

A little trivia from Rockford: Chad Knaus' father won 6 track
championships in a row with Chad as his crew chief. I guess the folks in
Rockford know now how he did it....

Also, Chad had a full head of blonde hair then, too.
Rockford, yes, I have heard of the joint. Hugh Deery's place if I am not

mistaken. Didn't they used to run the US Short Track Nationals there (and
may still do)?

Carey in Manvel

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Nowhere now. Used to race in Rockford Illinois years ago.

A little trivia from Rockford: Chad Knaus' father won 6 track
championships in a row with Chad as his crew chief. I guess the folks in
Rockford know now how he did it....

Also, Chad had a full head of blonde hair then, too.
Rockford, yes, I have heard of the joint. Hugh Deery's place if I am not
mistaken. Didn't they used to run the US Short Track Nationals there (and
may still do)?

Yep. The Deery's still run the place, although Hugh passed away in the early
80's
And yes, they still hold the National Short Track Championships in Sept.

Hugh's wife and son's run the place now, albeit rather poorly. The retail
business in the area is in the midst of a boom, and I suspect that the track
may cease to exist within the next 5 years or so, as its value as retail
property may soon surpass it's value as a race track.

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Carey in Manvel

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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote in message
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How about just force them to make the car legal. Is this about racing
or
is
it about punishment?

Any time our car was found to be illegal (weight, every time), we
forfeited
our money, points and trophy for the evening. And by less than three
pounds, both times. (on a 3,500 lb legal weight).

Carey in Manvel

Yeah, but that was after the race Carey. I'm fine with disqualifying a win
if the car is illegal, but to do so we need some better rules on what is
legal and what is illegal. Too much stuff that is not related to
performance is subject to those two words right now. As well, the fines a
punishments that are being bantered about are all pre-race "infractions".

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Richard Cranium wrote:
on Speed Channel's Victory Lane show, Bob Dilner reported that
#48-Jimmie Johnson's Daytona 500 qualifying run has been
disqualified
due to an illegal traction control adjuster on the right rear of
the
car. Johnson had qualified 5th on Sunday with a speed of 188.762mph
and the rear tires were rubbing and smoking during his run.

I am shocked that a Hendrick Motorsports car would have illegal
traction
control. Shocked I say. And to drag Jeff Gordon into this mess?
Shocking, just shocking......

Not Traction control. A device to raise the rear window, taking the
air
off the spoiler.
My punishment, let them run this week since they have already
attempted
to
qualify. Suspend the whole team for at least one race. They would
then
lose their free guaranteed start for the whole season for failure to
attempt all races. Make them work to get in the races.

$50,000 fine
50 point penalty
suspend Chad Knaus for 5 races

How about just force them to make the car legal. Is this about racing
or
is
it about punishment?

Shouldn't the be a penalty? What's the deterrent to cheating if there's no
penalty??

How about what I suggested... if the car is found to be out of spec during
pre-race, then make it legal in order to race it. Then go race. So what if
they try to push the envelope? There's just way too much interest in
punishing the bad boys and not enough focus on racing. Hell, not a lap can
go by these days, not a day of pre-race activities can go by without some
sort of rules infraction and some follow-up punishment. If the car is found
to be illegal after the race, then fine - disqualify the car. Take the
purse away and you'll influence behaviors.

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-Mike-
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#28

Mike Marlow wrote:

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How about what I suggested... if the car is found to be out of spec during
pre-race, then make it legal in order to race it. Then go race. So what if
they try to push the envelope? There's just way too much interest in
punishing the bad boys and not enough focus on racing. Hell, not a lap can
go by these days, not a day of pre-race activities can go by without some
sort of rules infraction and some follow-up punishment. If the car is found
to be illegal after the race, then fine - disqualify the car. Take the
purse away and you'll influence behaviors.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

Exactly on point. IAWTP.

N.

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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote

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Richard Cranium wrote:
on Speed Channel's Victory Lane show, Bob Dilner reported that
#48-Jimmie Johnson's Daytona 500 qualifying run has been
disqualified
due to an illegal traction control adjuster on the right rear of
the
car. Johnson had qualified 5th on Sunday with a speed of
188.762mph
and the rear tires were rubbing and smoking during his run.

I am shocked that a Hendrick Motorsports car would have illegal
traction
control. Shocked I say. And to drag Jeff Gordon into this mess?
Shocking, just shocking......

Not Traction control. A device to raise the rear window, taking the
air
off the spoiler.
My punishment, let them run this week since they have already
attempted
to
qualify. Suspend the whole team for at least one race. They would
then
lose their free guaranteed start for the whole season for failure to
attempt all races. Make them work to get in the races.

$50,000 fine
50 point penalty
suspend Chad Knaus for 5 races

How about just force them to make the car legal. Is this about racing
or
is
it about punishment?

Shouldn't the be a penalty? What's the deterrent to cheating if there's
no
penalty??

How about what I suggested... if the car is found to be out of spec during
pre-race, then make it legal in order to race it. Then go race. So what
if
they try to push the envelope?

I think it depends on the infraction and when it's caught. If its just
something that is out of spec and its caught in pre-race tech, that's one
thing. In that case, you just fail the inspection and fix the infraction.
Just the time to have the car re-inspected is enough of a penalty.

But if its a deliberate cheat that clearly violates a rule, then I think
there should be a penalty.

Terry Labonte's car had a carb that was out of spec. The DQ'ed his Q time,
but no penalty. Nascar accepted the team's explanation that it was a
mistake.

But they must have felt that the 48's infraction was no mistake, and acted
accordingly.

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There's just way too much interest in
punishing the bad boys and not enough focus on racing. Hell, not a lap
can
go by these days, not a day of pre-race activities can go by without some
sort of rules infraction and some follow-up punishment.

If the car is found
to be illegal after the race, then fine - disqualify the car. Take the
purse away and you'll influence behaviors.

I agree with this. But don't forget to take the points too. That's where the
behavior influence really comes in.

And just to clarify, the penalty that I posted earlier was a prediction, not
a suggestion.

#30

"Mike Marlow" wrote:

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How about what I suggested... if the car is found to be out of spec during
pre-race, then make it legal in order to race it. Then go race. So what if
they try to push the envelope? There's just way too much interest in
punishing the bad boys and not enough focus on racing. Hell, not a lap can
go by these days, not a day of pre-race activities can go by without some
sort of rules infraction and some follow-up punishment. If the car is found
to be illegal after the race, then fine - disqualify the car. Take the
purse away and you'll influence behaviors.

But in practice, Mike, I don't think it would work. You'd see massively
borderline cars (this just over the line, that just a bit out of spec, ...)
coming to pre-Q/race inspection and letting nascar tell them what to change then
having to change it and going back through, with more borderline stuff ...
inspections would go on forever.

I agree with your theory, but that's just my guess on how it would work in
reality.

Now, if they said you get one chance to fix it and if you don't PASS the second
time you go home ... they'd be less likely to throw too many oddball things at
the room of doom staff. but nascar doesn't want to send someone home,
'specially a star, with a zillion of that star's hats and tees sitting in the
stands.

You know, if that would be the case and say the 8 car came through for round 2
and there was something wrong, they wouldn't say anything, let him race them
flunk him on post race inspection.