Jr's spin - on purpose?

#11

On Aug 7, 2:03 pm, Nancy2 <nancy-doo... (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote:

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On Aug 7, 10:58 am, Gordon <jimmyga... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Kyle Roberts wrote:
"John McCoy" <igop... (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote in message
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Grim <> wrote innews:fj0db3pql49kjjbltiomj7ehmge8bgspuh (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

I'm just wondering if Jr. spun his car on purpose because he needed a
caution to work on it. I know he's done it before at Bristol. If so,
it was good car control.
It's possible, but I would doubt it. If the shock was in fact broken
that's about where you'd expect it to have the most effect on the
handling.

John

The shock wasn't broken. They were trying a new shock package that evidently
wasn't working at all. Car was tight and getting tighter. Seems awfully
suspect since they had just made the decision to come in and change the
shock. It took them 90 seconds to change it under caution. He would have
lost 2 laps under green from where he was running at the time.

I'm not so sure even Jr would try spinning in a turn @ 140 mph just to
bring out a caution.

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He's done it before - I think he did do it on purpose, after I
listened to the conversation on INC. Nobody close front or back, he
had good control of the car, and knew he probably could do a solo spin
out.

Too much convenience to be a coincidence.

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I knew what Gordon was saying -- still think it was on purpose.
Junior knows how to handle a racecar.

N.

#12

"SimRacer" <NOsimracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote

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Yes, Nancy, he did, but it was at BRISTOL!! Hardly close to the speeds
they run at Indy which was Gordon's point in the post above.

or even Pocono...off T3, where yer tryin'to carry lottsa sped for that lonnnnnng
front stretch!

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#13

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:43:34 -0700, Nancy2 <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu>
wrote:

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On Aug 7, 2:03 pm, Nancy2 <nancy-doo... (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote:

I knew what Gordon was saying -- still think it was on purpose.
Junior knows how to handle a racecar.

N.
That's just another good reason his spin should be suspect....

He's has done it before.
Also, remember his radio comments about his supposed flat tire.
Eury asks, "Which tire is it?....."
Jr answers...."You can see the car better than me......"
It's common knowledge that these drivers are so attuned to their cars,
they always know which tire is failing on them before they get to the
pits to repair it. Their pit crews depend on that info so they can
change the correct tire asap.

#14

On Aug 7, 3:28 pm, SimRacer <NOsimrace... (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote:

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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:03:58 -0700, Nancy2 <nancy-doo... (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu
wrote:

On Aug 7, 10:58 am, Gordon <jimmyga... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Kyle Roberts wrote:
"John McCoy" <igop... (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9984C034B6DF3pogosupernews (AT) 216 (DOT) 168.3.30...
Grim <> wrote innews:fj0db3pql49kjjbltiomj7ehmge8bgspuh (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

I'm just wondering if Jr. spun his car on purpose because he needed a
caution to work on it. I know he's done it before at Bristol. If so,
it was good car control.
It's possible, but I would doubt it. If the shock was in fact broken
that's about where you'd expect it to have the most effect on the
handling.

John

The shock wasn't broken. They were trying a new shock package that evidently
wasn't working at all. Car was tight and getting tighter. Seems awfully
suspect since they had just made the decision to come in and change the
shock. It took them 90 seconds to change it under caution. He would have
lost 2 laps under green from where he was running at the time.

I'm not so sure even Jr would try spinning in a turn @ 140 mph just to
bring out a caution.

G<- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He's done it before - I think he did do it on purpose, after I
listened to the conversation on INC. Nobody close front or back, he
had good control of the car, and knew he probably could do a solo spin
out.

Too much convenience to be a coincidence.

N.

Yes, Nancy, he did, but it was at BRISTOL!! Hardly close to the speeds
they run at Indy which was Gordon's point in the post above.

So, Jr isn't that good of a driver?

#15

""79"" <all-time-fourth (AT) is-next (DOT) net> wrote

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That's just another good reason his spin should be suspect....
He's has done it before.
Also, remember his radio comments about his supposed flat tire.
Eury asks, "Which tire is it?....."
Jr answers...."You can see the car better than me......"
It's common knowledge that these drivers are so attuned to their cars,
they always know which tire is failing on them before they get to the
pits to repair it. Their pit crews depend on that info so they can
change the correct tire asap.

I'm guessing that you're a fairly new fan who relies exclusively on the hype
from the broadcast box for your knowledge of these things. Simple answer -
you're wrong. While drivers can often tell the crews where they feel a tire
problem lies, that information is far less than reliable. Too many factors
can cause a problem to feel like it originates in one area, while in fact it
originates in another. Drivers are often either wrong in what they feel is
afoul, or don't even hazard a guess. They simply say something vague such
as they feel like there is a tire going down. So - no, it's really not
common knowledge.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

#16

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:35:33 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

""79"" <all-time-fourth (AT) is-next (DOT) net> wrote in message
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That's just another good reason his spin should be suspect....
He's has done it before.
Also, remember his radio comments about his supposed flat tire.
Eury asks, "Which tire is it?....."
Jr answers...."You can see the car better than me......"
It's common knowledge that these drivers are so attuned to their cars,
they always know which tire is failing on them before they get to the
pits to repair it. Their pit crews depend on that info so they can
change the correct tire asap.

I'm guessing that you're a fairly new fan who relies exclusively on the hype
from the broadcast box for your knowledge of these things. Simple answer -
you're wrong. While drivers can often tell the crews where they feel a tire
problem lies, that information is far less than reliable. Too many factors
can cause a problem to feel like it originates in one area, while in fact it
originates in another. Drivers are often either wrong in what they feel is
afoul, or don't even hazard a guess. They simply say something vague such
as they feel like there is a tire going down. So - no, it's really not
common knowledge.

I'm guessing you're an ex-cup driver.
......or maybe you just don't believe the possibility of "repeat
offenses".

#17

""79"" <all-time-fourth (AT) is-next (DOT) net> wrote

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On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:35:33 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote:

""79"" <all-time-fourth (AT) is-next (DOT) net> wrote in message
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That's just another good reason his spin should be suspect....
He's has done it before.
Also, remember his radio comments about his supposed flat tire.
Eury asks, "Which tire is it?....."
Jr answers...."You can see the car better than me......"
It's common knowledge that these drivers are so attuned to their cars,
they always know which tire is failing on them before they get to the
pits to repair it. Their pit crews depend on that info so they can
change the correct tire asap.

I'm guessing that you're a fairly new fan who relies exclusively on the
hype
from the broadcast box for your knowledge of these things. Simple
answer -
you're wrong. While drivers can often tell the crews where they feel a
tire
problem lies, that information is far less than reliable. Too many
factors
can cause a problem to feel like it originates in one area, while in fact
it
originates in another. Drivers are often either wrong in what they feel
is
afoul, or don't even hazard a guess. They simply say something vague such
as they feel like there is a tire going down. So - no, it's really not
common knowledge.

I'm guessing you're an ex-cup driver.
.....or maybe you just don't believe the possibility of "repeat
offenses".

I'm guessing I have more knowledge of how cars work than you. As for repeat
offenses, that's a red herring. I made no address of repeat offenses. I
simply commented on your assertion that it's "common knowledge" that a
driver is so attuned to his car as to know which tire is going down.
Sorry - you're wrong in the manner in which you make that assertion.
There's much more to this matter than what you hear the talking heads babble
about on race day.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

#18

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote

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On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:35:33 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote:

""79"" <all-time-fourth (AT) is-next (DOT) net> wrote in message
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That's just another good reason his spin should be suspect....
He's has done it before.
Also, remember his radio comments about his supposed flat tire.
Eury asks, "Which tire is it?....."
Jr answers...."You can see the car better than me......"
It's common knowledge that these drivers are so attuned to their cars,
they always know which tire is failing on them before they get to the
pits to repair it. Their pit crews depend on that info so they can
change the correct tire asap.

I'm guessing that you're a fairly new fan who relies exclusively on the hype
from the broadcast box for your knowledge of these things. Simple answer -
you're wrong. While drivers can often tell the crews where they feel a tire
problem lies, that information is far less than reliable. Too many factors
can cause a problem to feel like it originates in one area, while in fact it
originates in another. Drivers are often either wrong in what they feel is
afoul, or don't even hazard a guess. They simply say something vague such
as they feel like there is a tire going down. So - no, it's really not
common knowledge.

I'm guessing you're an ex-cup driver.
.....or maybe you just don't believe the possibility of "repeat
offenses".

I'm guessing I have more knowledge of how cars work than you. As for repeat offenses, that's a
red herring. I made no address of repeat offenses. I simply commented on your assertion that
it's "common knowledge" that a driver is so attuned to his car as to know which tire is going
down. Sorry - you're wrong in the manner in which you make that assertion. There's much more to
this matter than what you hear the talking heads babble about on race day.

As usual, you're a really poor guesser.

Did you hear Ken Shrader referring to Jr's spin on INC? " He looked a little too low coming out of
T3...." Did he notice something that the talking heads didn't?
When driving "nr2003" the computer sim, (same sim that Denny used to learn Pocono), T3 is very wide,
and flat. It's not too difficult to take your car down low in the turn and do a slow, and controlled
spin. Entering pit road, there's a lot of spare real estate with no walls to worry about. Try it
sometime. It's not to difficult to see the possibilities.

#19

On Aug 10, 7:34 pm, "\"\"79\"\"" <fourth-all-t... (AT) is-next (DOT) net> wrote:

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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM... (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote in message

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""79"" <all-time-fou... (AT) is-next (DOT) net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:35:33 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
mmarlowREM... (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote:

""79"" <all-time-fou... (AT) is-next (DOT) net> wrote in message
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That's just another good reason his spin should be suspect....
He's has done it before.
Also, remember his radio comments about his supposed flat tire.
Eury asks, "Which tire is it?....."
Jr answers...."You can see the car better than me......"
It's common knowledge that these drivers are so attuned to their cars,
they always know which tire is failing on them before they get to the
pits to repair it. Their pit crews depend on that info so they can
change the correct tire asap.

I'm guessing that you're a fairly new fan who relies exclusively on the hype
from the broadcast box for your knowledge of these things. Simple answer -
you're wrong. While drivers can often tell the crews where they feel a tire
problem lies, that information is far less than reliable. Too many factors
can cause a problem to feel like it originates in one area, while in fact it
originates in another. Drivers are often either wrong in what they feel is
afoul, or don't even hazard a guess. They simply say something vague such
as they feel like there is a tire going down. So - no, it's really not
common knowledge.

I'm guessing you're an ex-cup driver.
.....or maybe you just don't believe the possibility of "repeat
offenses".

I'm guessing I have more knowledge of how cars work than you. As for repeat offenses, that's a
red herring. I made no address of repeat offenses. I simply commented on your assertion that
it's "common knowledge" that a driver is so attuned to his car as to know which tire is going
down. Sorry - you're wrong in the manner in which you make that assertion. There's much more to
this matter than what you hear the talking heads babble about on race day.

As usual, you're a really poor guesser.
Did you hear Ken Shrader referring to Jr's spin on INC? " He looked a little too low coming out of
T3...." Did he notice something that the talking heads didn't?
When driving "nr2003" the computer sim, (same sim that Denny used to learn Pocono), T3 is very wide,
and flat. It's not too difficult to take your car down low in the turn and do a slow, and controlled
spin. Entering pit road, there's a lot of spare real estate with no walls to worry about. Try it
sometime. It's not to difficult to see the possibilities.

You seriously aren't comparing a sim to the real thing are you?

DH said the surroundings were realistic, that's it.

#20

"""79""" <fourth-all-time (AT) is-next (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

As usual, you're a really poor guesser.
Did you hear Ken Shrader referring to Jr's spin on INC? " He looked a
little too low coming out of T3...." Did he notice something that the
talking heads didn't?

And that is supposed to mean that Junior intentionally spun? You haven't
been watching for long enough to realize that comments like that accompany
every incident they talk about? As in... it explains why a car went around.

Quote:

When driving "nr2003" the computer sim, (same sim that Denny used to learn
Pocono), T3 is very wide, and flat. It's not too difficult to take your
car down low in the turn and do a slow, and controlled spin. Entering pit
road, there's a lot of spare real estate with no walls to worry about. Try
it sometime. It's not to difficult to see the possibilities.

It's not difficult to take a car into a fairly controlled spin on a lot of
tracks. Big deal. That's irrelevant. Your comment that I responded to was
that these drivers are so attuned to their cars that they can feel
everything precisely. I have no idea whether Junior intentionally spun or
not. Don't really care. It has nothing to do with what we were talking
about.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net