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Re: ? for the Junior fans -
05-04-2007
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"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message news:5a1je7F2kkbu2U1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net... "SimRacer" <NOsimracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message news:f2ik33tjg2tc85lusscchuvsvjn3rvfi7j (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 2 May 2007 13:26:25 -0400, "armpit" <armarmpitpit (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>> wrote: snip As usual yore memory does not fail u or us. What is surprising tho is, yore mfr loyalty since the end of stock bodies a long time ago. While the bodies have become rather generic, the association with the manufacturers, aka "factory support" is still very much in place and I think that has a profound effect on brand loyalty. The differences in brands goes a bit beyond the decals, all prejudices aside. |
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And, Cru...I'm too dang old to have shed my Ford roots!
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"SimRacer" <NOsimracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message news:f2ik33tjg2tc85lusscchuvsvjn3rvfi7j (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 2 May 2007 13:26:25 -0400, "armpit" <armarmpitpit (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>> wrote: As reported on Jayski.com. there are currently merger talks going on between DEI & RYR. Furthermore, it is reported that Ford has had informal talks with DEI about switching brands. So my question for the DEJ fans is this: If the merger takes place and DEI switches to Fords, and Junior stays at DEI, will you still root for him if he's driving a blue oval instead of a bowtie? IOW, are more loyal to Chevy, or DEJ? To the strict letter of your supposition "DEI merges with Yates and/or otherwise becomes a Ford team AND DEJ stays with DEI", then I will pretty much be done with NASCAR. DEJ fandom is one of the few things left that attract me to the sport anymore to begin with and his participation in the Chevy camp is a large factor in that. And just like his dad who drove Fords for Bud Moore from 82-83 (IIRC?) As usual yore memory does not fail u or us. What is surprising tho is, yore mfr loyalty since the end of stock bodies a long time ago. |
with Bud for a while. Plus, some people look at his (DES) and RC's
stats and say how? (RC as owner with 6 titles, DES as driver with 7
titles, Voila! 1 of those 7 came with Bud Moore...simple deduction)
As for automakers, it has less to do with the sheet metal, and more to
do with factory support and the power under the hood to me. These
things were not really "stock" cars when I started attending races
back in 1970, so that's not that big a deal to me. BUT, a Chevy bullet
under the hood makes all the difference. The cars are gonna look like
whatever they look like, brand badges be damned. And yes, they *all*
run Ford 9" rear-ends...but the bread is buttered at the end of the
throttle linkage IMO, and I've always fancied Chevy V8 engines, from
the lowly first 265 Small Blocks up to the 454 Big Blocks of late
60s/early 70s lore and every derivative that's come about since.
(Eagerly waiting to see whose the first smarta$$ to say that the end
of the throttle linkage is at the carb, not the engine itself...
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I can't root for a Blue Oval, regardless of its pilot. I think I was rooting for RCR and Ricky Rudd and the Piedmont Airlines car while DES was off in the evil Ford camp back then...feel free to correct, I know some of you will. My memory past about 20 years back, is like swiss cheese: there are a few holes. If Junior bolts, then DEI's manufacturer affiliation is of little concern to me, as I will follow him to whatever GM team he goes to or starts, and will root him on from there, as much as I actually "root" anymore, anyway. EITHER WAY, my interest continues to fall off, even with Junior currently at DEI and in a Chevy. I still root for the kid, but the sport as a whole is passing us old fans by, I really don't want to state a 'me too', but if The COT doesn't produce green flag passes for the lead similar to The CTS, i'll need to find something else to occupy the majority of my time. CRU |
has produced the "best racing" - on a more consistent basis - than any
other series under the NASCAR banner the past few years aside from
maybe what was or is still (??), the NASCAR Weekly Touring Series. You
know, the NASCAR late model series?
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and I find myself recording more races (in case something actually worth watching happens) and then watching less and less of the recordings. When I can get thru a whole NASCAR race weekend, satisfactorily, by just watching highlight packages on various channels, it is definitely not as important to me as it once was. Combine that with my live attendance schedule this year (2) compared to say 2000 (13), one can see that I'm on the way out, regardless. That's just a shame Sim, & u r obviously not alone amongst long-time fans. |
to be getting any better. I will end up going full circle I think: got
hooked on local racing, worked up to NASCAR, followed NASCAR for the
better part of 30+ years now, and now can't wait until my next
Saturday night "local" race while setting my Tivo for the NASCAR race
that week...Tho they're re paving our track this week, and we've got
to go to Myrtle Beach for the next little bit if we want to race again
in May...It may be a boring stretch if we don't go to Myrtle Beach or
Caraway or somewhere until our stuff cures a little bit...
I did just get my NHRA tix for the upcoming Bristol race tho, so all
isn't lost at this moment so far as very loud go-fast stuff goes...
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On Fri, 4 May 2007 16:29:22 -0400, "Crusader" <cru... (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net wrote: "SimRacer" <NOsimrace... (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message news:f2ik33tjg2tc85lusscchuvsvjn3rvfi7j (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 2 May 2007 13:26:25 -0400, "armpit" <armarmpit... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>> wrote: As reported on Jayski.com. there are currently merger talks going on between DEI & RYR. Furthermore, it is reported that Ford has had informal talks with DEI about switching brands. So my question for the DEJ fans is this: If the merger takes place and DEI switches to Fords, and Junior stays at DEI, will you still root for him if he's driving a blue oval instead of a bowtie? IOW, are more loyal to Chevy, or DEJ? To the strict letter of your supposition "DEI merges with Yates and/or otherwise becomes a Ford team AND DEJ stays with DEI", then I will pretty much be done with NASCAR. DEJ fandom is one of the few things left that attract me to the sport anymore to begin with and his participation in the Chevy camp is a large factor in that. And just like his dad who drove Fords for Bud Moore from 82-83 (IIRC?) As usual yore memory does not fail u or us. What is surprising tho is, yore mfr loyalty since the end of stock bodies a long time ago. Yeah, didn't take the time to look it up, but knew Senior was in Fords with Bud for a while. Plus, some people look at his (DES) and RC's stats and say how? (RC as owner with 6 titles, DES as driver with 7 titles, Voila! 1 of those 7 came with Bud Moore...simple deduction) He only drove for Moore for 2 yrs, 82-83. He won his first |
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On May 7, 5:27 pm, SimRacer <NOsimrace... (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote: On Fri, 4 May 2007 16:29:22 -0400, "Crusader" <cru... (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net wrote: "SimRacer" <NOsimrace... (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message news:f2ik33tjg2tc85lusscchuvsvjn3rvfi7j (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 2 May 2007 13:26:25 -0400, "armpit" <armarmpit... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>> wrote: As reported on Jayski.com. there are currently merger talks going on between DEI & RYR. Furthermore, it is reported that Ford has had informal talks with DEI about switching brands. So my question for the DEJ fans is this: If the merger takes place and DEI switches to Fords, and Junior stays at DEI, will you still root for him if he's driving a blue oval instead of a bowtie? IOW, are more loyal to Chevy, or DEJ? To the strict letter of your supposition "DEI merges with Yates and/or otherwise becomes a Ford team AND DEJ stays with DEI", then I will pretty much be done with NASCAR. DEJ fandom is one of the few things left that attract me to the sport anymore to begin with and his participation in the Chevy camp is a large factor in that. And just like his dad who drove Fords for Bud Moore from 82-83 (IIRC?) As usual yore memory does not fail u or us. What is surprising tho is, yore mfr loyalty since the end of stock bodies a long time ago. Yeah, didn't take the time to look it up, but knew Senior was in Fords with Bud for a while. Plus, some people look at his (DES) and RC's stats and say how? (RC as owner with 6 titles, DES as driver with 7 titles, Voila! 1 of those 7 came with Bud Moore...simple deduction) He only drove for Moore for 2 yrs, 82-83. He won his first championship in 80 with Rod Osturlund, in a Chevy. |
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On May 7, 5:27 pm, SimRacer <NOsimrace... (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote: On Fri, 4 May 2007 16:29:22 -0400, "Crusader" <cru... (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net wrote: "SimRacer" <NOsimrace... (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message news:f2ik33tjg2tc85lusscchuvsvjn3rvfi7j (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 2 May 2007 13:26:25 -0400, "armpit" <armarmpit... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>> wrote: As reported on Jayski.com. there are currently merger talks going on between DEI & RYR. Furthermore, it is reported that Ford has had informal talks with DEI about switching brands. So my question for the DEJ fans is this: If the merger takes place and DEI switches to Fords, and Junior stays at DEI, will you still root for him if he's driving a blue oval instead of a bowtie? IOW, are more loyal to Chevy, or DEJ? To the strict letter of your supposition "DEI merges with Yates and/or otherwise becomes a Ford team AND DEJ stays with DEI", then I will pretty much be done with NASCAR. DEJ fandom is one of the few things left that attract me to the sport anymore to begin with and his participation in the Chevy camp is a large factor in that. And just like his dad who drove Fords for Bud Moore from 82-83 (IIRC?) As usual yore memory does not fail u or us. What is surprising tho is, yore mfr loyalty since the end of stock bodies a long time ago. Yeah, didn't take the time to look it up, but knew Senior was in Fords with Bud for a while. Plus, some people look at his (DES) and RC's stats and say how? (RC as owner with 6 titles, DES as driver with 7 titles, Voila! 1 of those 7 came with Bud Moore...simple deduction) He only drove for Moore for 2 yrs, 82-83. He won his first championship in 80 with Rod Osturlund, in a Chevy. |
hooked back up with Childress. After moving away from the King's camp
in the mid-70s, I was a Cale Yarborough fan into the early 1980s and
didn't track Senior nearly as closely yet. I seemed to root for both
of them in 1984 as I recall, and then as Cale wandered out of the
series, I hung on to Senior as my main driver until he passed (after
Richard got out of the cars for good in when, 84-85?). I've always
rooted for more than one at the time...Harry Gant, Dave Marcis, DJ
when he was in Gibbs' early Pontiacs, even J.D. McDuffie (regardless
of his brand of car, he was from a town very nearby to my hometown and
was a super nice guy...)
And yes, Oldsmobile was close enough to a Chevy to be fine. Buicks and
Pontiacs too.
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On Fri, 4 May 2007 16:29:22 -0400, "Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net wrote: As for automakers, it has less to do with the sheet metal, and more to do with factory support and the power under the hood to me. These things were not really "stock" cars when I started attending races back in 1970, so that's not that big a deal to me. BUT, a Chevy bullet under the hood makes all the difference. The cars are gonna look like whatever they look like, brand badges be damned. And yes, they *all* run Ford 9" rear-ends...but the bread is buttered at the end of the throttle linkage IMO, and I've always fancied Chevy V8 engines, from the lowly first 265 Small Blocks up to the 454 Big Blocks of late 60s/early 70s lore and every derivative that's come about since. (Eagerly waiting to see whose the first smarta$$ to say that the end of the throttle linkage is at the carb, not the engine itself... How about.... "The engine doesn't know if its a Ford or Chevy or Mopar." |
The current engines are just as generic as the current bodies.
Look at photos of current GM, Ford, Mopar, even Toyo NASCAR engines.
Except for the valve cover logos, they are nearly identical inside.
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"SimRacer" <NOsimracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message news:2u4v3392c50kfphaifdola0v3ce199ofpu (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Fri, 4 May 2007 16:29:22 -0400, "Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net wrote: As for automakers, it has less to do with the sheet metal, and more to do with factory support and the power under the hood to me. These things were not really "stock" cars when I started attending races back in 1970, so that's not that big a deal to me. BUT, a Chevy bullet under the hood makes all the difference. The cars are gonna look like whatever they look like, brand badges be damned. And yes, they *all* run Ford 9" rear-ends...but the bread is buttered at the end of the throttle linkage IMO, and I've always fancied Chevy V8 engines, from the lowly first 265 Small Blocks up to the 454 Big Blocks of late 60s/early 70s lore and every derivative that's come about since. (Eagerly waiting to see whose the first smarta$$ to say that the end of the throttle linkage is at the carb, not the engine itself... How about.... "The engine doesn't know if its a Ford or Chevy or Mopar." $$ to Smokey Yunick (I believe) The current engines are just as generic as the current bodies. Look at photos of current GM, Ford, Mopar, even Toyo NASCAR engines. Except for the valve cover logos, they are nearly identical inside. |
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"win-77" <77-wins (AT) and (DOT) pulling.away.com> wrote in message news:QW40i.12974$3P3.9782 (AT) newsread3 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net... "SimRacer" <NOsimracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message news:2u4v3392c50kfphaifdola0v3ce199ofpu (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Fri, 4 May 2007 16:29:22 -0400, "Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net wrote: As for automakers, it has less to do with the sheet metal, and more to do with factory support and the power under the hood to me. These things were not really "stock" cars when I started attending races back in 1970, so that's not that big a deal to me. BUT, a Chevy bullet under the hood makes all the difference. The cars are gonna look like whatever they look like, brand badges be damned. And yes, they *all* run Ford 9" rear-ends...but the bread is buttered at the end of the throttle linkage IMO, and I've always fancied Chevy V8 engines, from the lowly first 265 Small Blocks up to the 454 Big Blocks of late 60s/early 70s lore and every derivative that's come about since. (Eagerly waiting to see whose the first smarta$$ to say that the end of the throttle linkage is at the carb, not the engine itself... How about.... "The engine doesn't know if its a Ford or Chevy or Mopar." $$ to Smokey Yunick (I believe) The current engines are just as generic as the current bodies. Look at photos of current GM, Ford, Mopar, even Toyo NASCAR engines. Except for the valve cover logos, they are nearly identical inside. Then why did Chevy need a new engine design? |
what a true ford piece looks like....in fact I was told that it has
siameesed ports just like the Chevy and Dodge.....
Another Ole Fart
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"win-77" <77-wins (AT) and (DOT) pulling.away.com> wrote in message news:QW40i.12974$3P3.9782 (AT) newsread3 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net... "SimRacer" <NOsimracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message news:2u4v3392c50kfphaifdola0v3ce199ofpu (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Fri, 4 May 2007 16:29:22 -0400, "Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net wrote: As for automakers, it has less to do with the sheet metal, and more to do with factory support and the power under the hood to me. These things were not really "stock" cars when I started attending races back in 1970, so that's not that big a deal to me. BUT, a Chevy bullet under the hood makes all the difference. The cars are gonna look like whatever they look like, brand badges be damned. And yes, they *all* run Ford 9" rear-ends...but the bread is buttered at the end of the throttle linkage IMO, and I've always fancied Chevy V8 engines, from the lowly first 265 Small Blocks up to the 454 Big Blocks of late 60s/early 70s lore and every derivative that's come about since. (Eagerly waiting to see whose the first smarta$$ to say that the end of the throttle linkage is at the carb, not the engine itself... How about.... "The engine doesn't know if its a Ford or Chevy or Mopar." $$ to Smokey Yunick (I believe) The current engines are just as generic as the current bodies. Look at photos of current GM, Ford, Mopar, even Toyo NASCAR engines. Except for the valve cover logos, they are nearly identical inside. Then why did Chevy need a new engine design? |
maybe even certainly. But not the engines. They are the differences in
the cars today outside of the setup and the pilots.
Anyone that thinks the engines are as generic as the cars doesn't know
much about racing engines from the Big 3. And if they contend to claim
that they're correct, I'd like to see the explanation of 1 second
separating 1st to 43rd at Richmond if all the engines are "generic"
and therefore implied as "equal". That's a huge separation at a place
only ¾ of a mile long.
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