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Default Re: Junior has doomed his own self - 05-11-2007 , 08:27 PM






On May 11, 9:13 pm, "sohc330" <modular-po... (AT) ford-svt (DOT) com> wrote:
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On May 11, 7:05 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca... (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:
Everybody knows that Junior is a second rate driver

snip bullshit

Your posts are now on the same level as Farva, the only thing missing
is the cross-post to the wrasslin' group.

Congrats!

If you want to see a good natural born driver you can look at the career
of
Davey Allison. Davey's career was sadly cut short by an aircraft
accident
but at least he could drive a stock car right up there with the best of
them.

Luckily for you Davey did die, because if not, your Wonder Boy would
have 3 less championships and about 50 less wins.

I totally agree. Davey Allison could driver that fucking car better than
anyone. For all of the thousands of posts I have made in this chat room I
never once said than Jeff Gordon could drive a NASCAR better than Davey.

And....If Davey had lived, Dale Sr. would have at least 4 less championships
and about 50 less wins.
...........or he would have killed himself sooner while trying to beat
Davey.
So at age 46 Davey would have 119 wins and 7 champions, damn, he was
good.




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Default Re: Junior has doomed his own self - 05-11-2007 , 08:30 PM







"6th(a.t.)" <going-after-cale (AT) next (DOT) net> wrote

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RickyBobby wrote:
Everybody knows that Junior is a second rate driver on anything but the
high-banked tracks. Since most of the races that count for the points
are not run on the big banked tracks it is an impossibility for Junior
to ever win a Championship in favor of the real good drivers such as
too many to list.

Junior will poison and ruin whichever teams ends up with the Bud
sponsorship money just as he poisoned and ruined his own team with his
constant whining and excuse making.

You just wait and see if that sack of excuses ever wins a Championship
with his limited ability and you know he will not no matter how lucky
he might get in the short term.

There are some Champions still competing

Jeff Gordon
Jimmie Johnson
Matt Kenseth
Kurt Busch
Tony Stewart

You forgot Dale Jarrett and Bobby Labonte. And Terry Labonte and Bill
Elliott if you want to count them.

Champions who have a chance at becoming champions again? That's a
different story.

Kudos for giving Montoya the credit he deserves though. You forgot Denny
Hamlin on your list though.

-Thomas

The list of drivers who are better that silverspoons is pretty long. You
cannot fault me for missing one or two.

That pissy whiner thinks that a Cup Championship is his birthright just
as the Busch Championships came to him so easily. He needs to talk to
Tony Stewart and Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon about that. And then he
can talk to Matt Kenseth and Kurt Busch and then he can talk to about six
other drivers including Hamlin.

Silverspoons can shop hisself and Budweiser around to whoever he likes
but we shall see what we shall see in terms of talent and character.

Andbody who would throw his own extended family under the bus does not
have much in terms of character. America was not made on that and
neither was NASCAR. You would never see an Allison do that to the rest
of the Allison family or a Petty or a Jarrett or an Elliott or anybody
else but silverspoons.
Kyle Petty drove for his dad from 77'-85'.
He left Petty Enterprises in 85' and got his first win in 86' driving for
the Wood Bros.
He came back to help run the family business in 96'.


I do not think we shall have to concern ourselves with silverspoons coming
back to help his family business any more than we will see that no talent
hack win a Championship




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Default Re: Junior has doomed his own self - 05-11-2007 , 08:47 PM



RickyBobby wrote:
Quote:
"Thomas" <wharry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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RickyBobby wrote:
Everybody knows that Junior is a second rate driver on anything but the
high-banked tracks. Since most of the races that count for the points
are not run on the big banked tracks it is an impossibility for Junior to
ever win a Championship in favor of the real good drivers such as too
many to list.

Junior will poison and ruin whichever teams ends up with the Bud
sponsorship money just as he poisoned and ruined his own team with his
constant whining and excuse making.

You just wait and see if that sack of excuses ever wins a Championship
with his limited ability and you know he will not no matter how lucky he
might get in the short term.

There are some Champions still competing

Jeff Gordon
Jimmie Johnson
Matt Kenseth
Kurt Busch
Tony Stewart
You forgot Dale Jarrett and Bobby Labonte. And Terry Labonte and Bill
Elliott if you want to count them.

Champions who have a chance at becoming champions again? That's a
different story.

Kudos for giving Montoya the credit he deserves though. You forgot Denny
Hamlin on your list though.

-Thomas

The list of drivers who are better that silverspoons is pretty long. You
cannot fault me for missing one or two.
I think Jr's a good driver and a better car will help him win more
races. I think Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon are mainly products of the
system...put them in DEI cars and they become a non-factor.

Quote:
That pissy whiner thinks that a Cup Championship is his birthright just as
the Busch Championships came to him so easily. He needs to talk to Tony
Stewart and Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon about that. And then he can talk
to Matt Kenseth and Kurt Busch and then he can talk to about six other
drivers including Hamlin.
I wouldn't lump Stewart and Hamlin in with the rest of those guys.
Stewart and Hamlin are actually really good drivers, not just guys who
lucked into really good cars.

Quote:
Silverspoons can shop hisself and Budweiser around to whoever he likes but
we shall see what we shall see in terms of talent and character.

Andbody who would throw his own extended family under the bus does not have
much in terms of character.
It's not his family. It's his arrogant, gold digging whore of a
stepmother who didn't think she needed him.

His family is going with him wherever he goes.

Quote:
America was not made on that and neither was
NASCAR. You would never see an Allison do that to the rest of the Allison
family or a Petty or a Jarrett or an Elliott or anybody else but
silverspoons.
Didn't Petty do it?

-Thomas


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Default Re: Junior has doomed his own self - 05-11-2007 , 09:09 PM




"Thomas" <wharry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
RickyBobby wrote:
"Thomas" <wharry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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RickyBobby wrote:
Everybody knows that Junior is a second rate driver on anything but the
high-banked tracks. Since most of the races that count for the points
are not run on the big banked tracks it is an impossibility for Junior
to ever win a Championship in favor of the real good drivers such as
too many to list.

Junior will poison and ruin whichever teams ends up with the Bud
sponsorship money just as he poisoned and ruined his own team with his
constant whining and excuse making.

You just wait and see if that sack of excuses ever wins a Championship
with his limited ability and you know he will not no matter how lucky
he might get in the short term.

There are some Champions still competing

Jeff Gordon
Jimmie Johnson
Matt Kenseth
Kurt Busch
Tony Stewart
You forgot Dale Jarrett and Bobby Labonte. And Terry Labonte and Bill
Elliott if you want to count them.

Champions who have a chance at becoming champions again? That's a
different story.

Kudos for giving Montoya the credit he deserves though. You forgot Denny
Hamlin on your list though.

-Thomas

The list of drivers who are better that silverspoons is pretty long. You
cannot fault me for missing one or two.

I think Jr's a good driver and a better car will help him win more races.
I think Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon are mainly products of the
system...put them in DEI cars and they become a non-factor.


That pissy whiner thinks that a Cup Championship is his birthright just
as the Busch Championships came to him so easily. He needs to talk to
Tony Stewart and Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon about that. And then he
can talk to Matt Kenseth and Kurt Busch and then he can talk to about six
other drivers including Hamlin.

I wouldn't lump Stewart and Hamlin in with the rest of those guys. Stewart
and Hamlin are actually really good drivers, not just guys who lucked into
really good cars.


Silverspoons can shop hisself and Budweiser around to whoever he likes
but we shall see what we shall see in terms of talent and character.

Andbody who would throw his own extended family under the bus does not
have much in terms of character.

It's not his family. It's his arrogant, gold digging whore of a stepmother
who didn't think she needed him.

His family is going with him wherever he goes.

America was not made on that and neither was NASCAR. You would never see
an Allison do that to the rest of the Allison family or a Petty or a
Jarrett or an Elliott or anybody else but silverspoons.

Didn't Petty do it?

-Thomas
I do not disagree with your fandom of Junior because he does seem to be an
awfully nice and sincere guy but I do not believe he can drive a race car
like Jeff or Johnson or Stewart or Kenseth or either Busch. But I could very
easily be wrong about that. Junior is done for 2007 as a backstabbing and
disloyal and unfaithful lame duck but in 2008 and beyond he could be the hot
shoe to watch. But of course by then he will be deep into his thirties and
his best years will have been behind him in terms of reflexes and vision and
courage but we shall see what we shall see.

Junior used to be a decent guy until he gutted the family business but in
terms of NASCAR Cup Championship I think he is a pretender.

Junior is the Darryl Strawberry of NASCAR in my opinion.

On the entire other hand things could work out where Junior does drive
better than the good drivers and I could be all wrong in my prediction. I
do not think so because I have been following this sport pretty closely for
the past years but that is why they run the races.

I do not think that Junior is as good as he thinks he is but then if he did
not think that he was that good he would not be trying so hard to get a
consistent competitive car for all 36 points races.

If it were me personally I would not gut my family but then again I have
never been there and seen what it is like to win and be immortal.

All in all, I actually do hope that Junior does win a Championship sometime
in the next decade because it would be like a Greek tragedy and make all of
the betrayal look like worthwhile.





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Default Re: Junior has doomed his own self - 05-11-2007 , 11:21 PM



On May 11, 8:09 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca... (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:
Quote:
"Thomas" <wha... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message

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RickyBobby wrote:
"Thomas" <wha... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:f22upd$m30$2 (AT) news04 (DOT) infoave.net...
RickyBobby wrote:
Everybody knows that Junior is a second rate driver on anything but the
high-banked tracks. Since most of the races that count for the points
are not run on the big banked tracks it is an impossibility for Junior
to ever win a Championship in favor of the real good drivers such as
too many to list.

Junior will poison and ruin whichever teams ends up with the Bud
sponsorship money just as he poisoned and ruined his own team with his
constant whining and excuse making.

You just wait and see if that sack of excuses ever wins a Championship
with his limited ability and you know he will not no matter how lucky
he might get in the short term.

There are some Champions still competing

Jeff Gordon
Jimmie Johnson
Matt Kenseth
Kurt Busch
Tony Stewart
You forgot Dale Jarrett and Bobby Labonte. And Terry Labonte and Bill
Elliott if you want to count them.

Champions who have a chance at becoming champions again? That's a
different story.

Kudos for giving Montoya the credit he deserves though. You forgot Denny
Hamlin on your list though.

-Thomas

The list of drivers who are better that silverspoons is pretty long. You
cannot fault me for missing one or two.

I think Jr's a good driver and a better car will help him win more races.
I think Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon are mainly products of the
system...put them in DEI cars and they become a non-factor.

That pissy whiner thinks that a Cup Championship is his birthright just
as the Busch Championships came to him so easily. He needs to talk to
Tony Stewart and Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon about that. And then he
can talk to Matt Kenseth and Kurt Busch and then he can talk to about six
other drivers including Hamlin.

I wouldn't lump Stewart and Hamlin in with the rest of those guys. Stewart
and Hamlin are actually really good drivers, not just guys who lucked into
really good cars.

Silverspoons can shop hisself and Budweiser around to whoever he likes
but we shall see what we shall see in terms of talent and character.

Andbody who would throw his own extended family under the bus does not
have much in terms of character.

It's not his family. It's his arrogant, gold digging whore of a stepmother
who didn't think she needed him.

His family is going with him wherever he goes.

America was not made on that and neither was NASCAR. You would never see
an Allison do that to the rest of the Allison family or a Petty or a
Jarrett or an Elliott or anybody else but silverspoons.

Didn't Petty do it?

-Thomas

I do not disagree with your fandom of Junior because he does seem to be an
awfully nice and sincere guy but I do not believe he can drive a race car
like Jeff or Johnson or Stewart or Kenseth or either Busch. But I could very
easily be wrong about that. Junior is done for 2007 as a backstabbing and
disloyal and unfaithful lame duck but in 2008 and beyond he could be the hot
shoe to watch. But of course by then he will be deep into his thirties and
his best years will have been behind him in terms of reflexes and vision and
courage but we shall see what we shall see.

Junior used to be a decent guy until he gutted the family business but in
terms of NASCAR Cup Championship I think he is a pretender.

Junior is the Darryl Strawberry of NASCAR in my opinion.

On the entire other hand things could work out where Junior does drive
better than the good drivers and I could be all wrong in my prediction. I
do not think so because I have been following this sport pretty closely for
the past years but that is why they run the races.

I do not think that Junior is as good as he thinks he is but then if he did
not think that he was that good he would not be trying so hard to get a
consistent competitive car for all 36 points races.

If it were me personally I would not gut my family but then again I have
never been there and seen what it is like to win and be immortal.

All in all, I actually do hope that Junior does win a Championship sometime
in the next decade because it would be like a Greek tragedy and make all of
the betrayal look like worthwhile.
Since nobody knows what the real story is....we cant make an
intelligent
comment ? I have enough trouble ..when I KNOW THE FACTS.....
never mind ..when I dont !



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Default Re: Junior has doomed his own self - 05-12-2007 , 12:22 AM



And if Tim Richmond had lived, both Davey AND Dale Sr. might have won a
whole lot less races.

We can play this "if he had lived" game all the way back to Fireball Roberts
and it still would be just an intellectual exercise.

"sohc330" <modular-power (AT) ford-svt (DOT) com> wrote

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And....If Davey had lived, Dale Sr. would have at least 4 less
championships and about 50 less wins.
...........or he would have killed himself sooner while trying to beat
Davey.




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Default Re: Junior has doomed his own self - 05-12-2007 , 12:49 AM



On May 11, 7:05 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca... (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

Yeah, he and his siblings bought bad karma by going against the wishes
of their father when they went on their selfish and unfounded jaunt to
wrest control from Teresa.

Dale left it to Teresa.........he knew how disheveled those lazy-eyed
kids of his were....


Quote:
Everybody knows that Junior is a second rate driver on anything but the
high-banked tracks. Since most of the races that count for the points are
not run on the big banked tracks it is an impossibility for Junior to ever
win a Championship in favor of the real good drivers such as too many to
list.

Junior will poison and ruin whichever teams ends up with the Bud sponsorship
money just as he poisoned and ruined his own team with his constant whining
and excuse making.

You just wait and see if that sack of excuses ever wins a Championship with
his limited ability and you know he will not no matter how lucky he might
get in the short term.

There are some Champions still competing

Jeff Gordon
Jimmie Johnson
Matt Kenseth
Kurt Busch
Tony Stewart

and there are some others who could win if they did well

Carl Edwards
Kasey Kahne
Jamie McMurray
Kyle Busch
that next Busch coming up
Juan Pablo Fernandez Montoya
J.J.J. Yeley

So the idea that Junior could actually win a championship with his limit of
ability and excess of baggage is a big joke.

What kind of human being guts their family business anyhow?



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Default Re: Junior has doomed his own self - 05-12-2007 , 01:35 AM



RickyBobby wrote:
Quote:
"Thomas" <wharry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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RickyBobby wrote:
"Thomas" <wharry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:f22upd$m30$2 (AT) news04 (DOT) infoave.net...
RickyBobby wrote:
Everybody knows that Junior is a second rate driver on anything but the
high-banked tracks. Since most of the races that count for the points
are not run on the big banked tracks it is an impossibility for Junior
to ever win a Championship in favor of the real good drivers such as
too many to list.

Junior will poison and ruin whichever teams ends up with the Bud
sponsorship money just as he poisoned and ruined his own team with his
constant whining and excuse making.

You just wait and see if that sack of excuses ever wins a Championship
with his limited ability and you know he will not no matter how lucky
he might get in the short term.

There are some Champions still competing

Jeff Gordon
Jimmie Johnson
Matt Kenseth
Kurt Busch
Tony Stewart
You forgot Dale Jarrett and Bobby Labonte. And Terry Labonte and Bill
Elliott if you want to count them.

Champions who have a chance at becoming champions again? That's a
different story.

Kudos for giving Montoya the credit he deserves though. You forgot Denny
Hamlin on your list though.

-Thomas
The list of drivers who are better that silverspoons is pretty long. You
cannot fault me for missing one or two.
I think Jr's a good driver and a better car will help him win more races.
I think Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon are mainly products of the
system...put them in DEI cars and they become a non-factor.

That pissy whiner thinks that a Cup Championship is his birthright just
as the Busch Championships came to him so easily. He needs to talk to
Tony Stewart and Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon about that. And then he
can talk to Matt Kenseth and Kurt Busch and then he can talk to about six
other drivers including Hamlin.
I wouldn't lump Stewart and Hamlin in with the rest of those guys. Stewart
and Hamlin are actually really good drivers, not just guys who lucked into
really good cars.

Silverspoons can shop hisself and Budweiser around to whoever he likes
but we shall see what we shall see in terms of talent and character.

Andbody who would throw his own extended family under the bus does not
have much in terms of character.
It's not his family. It's his arrogant, gold digging whore of a stepmother
who didn't think she needed him.

His family is going with him wherever he goes.

America was not made on that and neither was NASCAR. You would never see
an Allison do that to the rest of the Allison family or a Petty or a
Jarrett or an Elliott or anybody else but silverspoons.
Didn't Petty do it?

-Thomas

I do not disagree with your fandom of Junior
I am not a Junior fan. I like him as a person, and I like how he handled
this situation. If Gordon and Jr are neck and neck at the end of a race,
I am rooting for Jr. But I am certainly not rooting for Jr at the start
of any races.

Quote:
because he does seem to be an
awfully nice and sincere guy but I do not believe he can drive a race car
like Jeff or Johnson or Stewart or Kenseth or either Busch.
See, I don't know how you can lump them all into the same sentence as if
they are the same. Tony is head and shoulders better than any of that
bunch. And Kyle Busch is a step beneath all of them.

Quote:
But I could very
easily be wrong about that. Junior is done for 2007 as a backstabbing and
disloyal and unfaithful lame duck but in 2008 and beyond he could be the hot
shoe to watch.
I don't see how he's disloyal or unfaithful.

Quote:
But of course by then he will be deep into his thirties and
his best years will have been behind him in terms of reflexes and vision and
courage but we shall see what we shall see.

Junior used to be a decent guy until he gutted the family business but in
terms of NASCAR Cup Championship I think he is a pretender.
His stepmom gutted the family business. Had she not been such a
shitstain, he'd still be at DEI.

You can't for a second think that he didn't want to stay. There's only
so much you can give. When someone slaps you in the face again and again
and again, there's only so much you can take.

Quote:
Junior is the Darryl Strawberry of NASCAR in my opinion.
Junior is the Griffey Jr of NASCAR, really. Talent in spades, track
record looks good when you ignore the talent he has, but never really
put it together to wow you.

Quote:
On the entire other hand things could work out where Junior does drive
better than the good drivers and I could be all wrong in my prediction.
I think you underestimate the value of the Hendrick car. If Jr were to
get behind the wheel of a Hendrick car, he'd be right up there with
Gordon and Johnson.

Put EVERYONE behind the wheel of a Hendrick car, and you'd see some
interesting people at the top.

Quote:
I
do not think so because I have been following this sport pretty closely for
the past years but that is why they run the races.

I do not think that Junior is as good as he thinks he is but then if he did
not think that he was that good he would not be trying so hard to get a
consistent competitive car for all 36 points races.

If it were me personally I would not gut my family but then again I have
never been there and seen what it is like to win and be immortal.
I don't think he'd gut his family either.

His stepmom is not family.

Quote:
All in all, I actually do hope that Junior does win a Championship sometime
in the next decade because it would be like a Greek tragedy and make all of
the betrayal look like worthwhile.
I don't want him to win one. I want Tony, Robby Gordon and JP to take
turns winning them.

-Thomas


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Default Re: Junior has doomed his own self - 05-15-2007 , 10:11 AM



On May 11, 8:15 pm, tonystewart02_05ch... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com wrote:
Quote:
On May 11, 7:31 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca... (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:



tonystewart02_05ch... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message

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On May 11, 7:05 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca... (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:
Everybody knows that Junior is a second rate driver

snip bullshit

Your posts are now on the same level as Farva, the only thing missing
is the cross-post to the wrasslin' group.

Congrats!

If you want to see a good natural born driver you can look at the career of
Davey Allison. Davey's career was sadly cut short by an aircraft accident
but at least he could drive a stock car right up there with the best of
them.

Luckily for you Davey did die, because if not, your Wonder Boy would
have 3 less championships and about 50 less wins.
Objection! Conjecture on your part tonystewart. And besides, you ARE
on probation until the end of the year!

And just for telling it like it is - the dark, evil side of NASCAR.



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