"win-77" <77-wins (AT) and (DOT) pulling.away.com> wrote

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Boy ....... has this thread ever come loose in turn 2

Almost every driver under 35 yrs of age.. they don't know how to drive a
real racecar...they just want to sit there and mash the gas and turn
left..

Jooner Gordo JJ and even Hiz Orangeness couldn't hold a candle to the
likes of Pearson, Petty, Allison, and The other JJ driving the types of
cars they drove....and everyone said the COT drives like the pre '85
boxes...Now take Bodines power steering away and really listen to the
babies cry...

REAL men know how to drive racecars...

Another Ole Fart

On 8 May 2007 10:29:00 -0700, Ron <BigELilE05 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

Actually, Junior does have his own radio show, on XM. I've officially
let all my XM subs expire, or I'd tell you if he's railed on it during
his show...Though his show (and in all fairness, Jimmie Johnson's show
too) are quite bad. They certainly weren't good enough for me to
remain a dual XM/Sirius subscriber. When my latest XM trial (in my new
truck) expired, I didn't renew. I didn't renew when they called last
week and offered me a year at half price ($6.95 per month) either. XM
is hurting at the moment if I had to guess. They're all going to be
one entity eventually anyway...

Doesn't work with JG fans, but a novel try anyway...Not to mention,
Shrub, uh, Kule Busch has blasted the car, in victory lane, after
winning a race in it...

I'm going to take the high road on Teresa, but DEI is definitely 4th
in the current pecking order (support) from Chevy behind Hendrick,
RCR, and Gibbs. But I whole hearditly agree that Teresa is more into
the "business and marketing" side and is letting the competition side
slide WAY down the priority list. Otherwise, a marketing guru (Siegel)
wouldn't have been her latest hire. And DEI would already be in
possesion of new necessities like a 7 post (shaker) rig and a
pull-down (squash) rig, which according to my sources, they don't have
as yet. And don't get me started on their apparent lack of development
in the plate engine program the past 2-3 years,which was formerly one
of their shining achievements. Hell, even MWR has a squash rig
in-house and they have a 7 post shaker available to them over at the
new TRD shop there near Lexington/High Point.

Yup. Everyone forgets how bad JG whined about everything the past 2
years until his success found him again this year ("he's racing me too
hard" - " We're on the same team...wha wha wha"), but let Junior say 1
little thing about the new car...and suddenly he's the only and
"biggest whiner"...Typical from Hendrick fans today.


Besides, what he said was true. The guys up front and winning
(Hendrick Stable) don't have much better success making their CoTs
actually work to their drivers' liking, but moreso like Junior said
"They've simply got the best of the worst." So the finishes are
relative, and tells no tales as to how well or how bad even the
Hendrick cars are actually working. Of course no one else has David
Green out there testing their CoT days on end like Hendrick does
either...Didn't Evernham have to enter his test driver and cars back
when Bill Elliott was doing a bunch of testing for them? Wonder why
Green hasn't been mandated to make any race attempts? I mean, he's out
there bragging about the tens of thousands of miles he's tested in the
CoT for Hendrick since last summer...Where's the parity there?
Evernham had to build and enter a car for Elliott for so many races to
placate NASCAR with their testing "policy", where's David Green
entered to race in a Hendrick CoT? Hmmm.

And Besides again, the haters should have listend to Junior via
HotPass this past Sunday or they'd know how he "really" feels about
the CoT...lol He toned it down a *bunch* for the print media. He was
nice to his guys more or less all day, but doesn't have much nice to
say about the cars themselves. No one does that isn't in the top 3 as
best I can tell, aside from KyBusch. Between HotPass, TrackPass and
Sirius in-car audio, I didn't hear many compliments toward the car
this week, at all.

On May 8, 11:47 am, Nancy2 <nancy-doo... (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote:


There is another possibility to consider though. Just maybe Jr. is
right. He is maybe one of two or three people that would have the
clout to back Nascar down. IF Jr. asked his fans not to show up at
say the next Dega race, do you think they would go? I don't
especially if he doesn't. The usual Nascar threats just might not
scare Jr. as bad as they did Tony. From what I have seen it does need
MAJOR changes before its really ready to race.

Just because HMS has won with the car, does that mean its ready? Of
course not. In fact it has really no impact on it at all. Even Jeff
has said the car tends to be very tight. Has he dealt with it better
than others? Probably but that could be more of a matter of driving
style than anything else. Time will tell.

In reality the events are already decided and anything they find out
now is a moot point. Regardless of whether or not its ready,
regardless of whether or not they like it and regardless of what the
fans want, its going to happen. Instead of developing the car and the
working the problems out before the teams built them, they created a
design and had the teams build them and now the investment in COT's at
the team level is too great to make that many changes for a while.

Electrician wrote:
3.0 - Subpar trolling

The fact that you hooked so many speaks volumes about the general lack
of intelligence here.

-Thomas

In article <f1qm8e$li7$1 (AT) tabloid (DOT) srv.ualberta.ca>, rod.gramlich (AT) ualberta (DOT) ca
says...
Junior is a likeable person but just not a very good driver. Certainly no
where as good as some of his fans think he is. But he normally doesn't cause
wrecks like some of the other low talent drivers so I guess I wouldn't call
him a 'bad' driver.

"Thomas" <wharry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

It would have been more effective if he had referred to Junior as a second
rate driver. And more accurate to boot.

"Nancy2" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote

back when richard petty had factory backing and everybody else didn't he
dominated more than any present day driver.

"Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmucci (AT) rcn (DOT) com> wrote

Yes he did. But that was then and this is now. The present day fans want
to see Junior or Tony Stewart win some races some of the time.

On May 8, 3:43 pm, electric... (AT) xo (DOT) com (Electrician) wrote:
I'm not a Jr. fan, but I have to disagree.

Jr. has 17 wins in 265 races, a 6.42% winning percentage.

Let's compare that to other active drivers:
Jeff Gordon 15.94%
Jimmie Johnson 13.99%
Tony Stewart 9.86%
Greg Biffle 6.88%
Kurt Busch 6.52%
Ryan Newman 6.06%
Matt Kenseth 5.93%
Kasey Kahne 5.93%
Mark Martin 5.14%
Dale Jarrett 4.94%
Kevin Harvick 4.91%
Kyle Busch 4.55%
Bobby Labonte 4.34%
Jeff Burton 4.23%
Carl Edwards 4.21%
Denny Hamlin 3.77%
Ricky Rudd 2.60%
Sterling Marlin 1.39%
Ward Burton 1.37%
Jeremy Mayfield 1.23%
Robby Gordon 1.22%
Elliott Sadler 1.02%
Kyle Petty 1.01%
Brian Vickers 0.86%
Jamie McMurray 0.63%
Ken Schrader 0.56%

Did Dale Jr. 's last name help him get into Cup? Sure. It's one of the
reasons Kerry made it in to racing. But your name doesn't keep you in
Cup, and it doesn't make you win races. If it was 1 win, then you
could say it was a fluke. 2 wins, you could say he got lucky. But you
don't get 17 wins by being "not very good." And a majority of those
came on non-restrictor plate tracks.