Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com (Chuck Steak) wrote in
news:2iAfm.1385$Jg.1013 (AT) nwrddc01 (DOT) gnilink.net:

I've sat in various kinds of race cars - in a Cup car, even
without at helmet, you can't see any of the 4 corners because
you sit too low. And you can't see anything more than about
60 degrees right or left (unless it's in the mirror) because
the seat won't let you turn your head enough with a helmet
on. So basically you depend on your spotter and your memory
of where the guy was when he last appeared in the mirror.

Late models are just as bad. Street stocks/bombers not so
much so, because you sit higher and the seats aren't as
sophisticated.

John

Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com (Chuck Steak) wrote in
news:B7Afm.1383$Jg.943 (AT) nwrddc01 (DOT) gnilink.net:

Lesson there for young racers (or young anything, really).
Cultivate an attitude that people respond positively to,
like Ambrose, and people's judgement calls will go your way.

John

In article Tim Shelton <noemail1543 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

gotta be it.

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zagman wrote:

"Chuck Steak" <Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

I fully agree. No driver knows by the split second, where another driver
is. for DAVe to make that statment, was a bit foolish.

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"Tim Shelton" <noemail1543 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Oh ferchristsake... would you people think before you post? Watch the
replay again. It happened in a second or so. Most of you can't get off your
fat asses in your lounge chairs, to get to your keyboard in that amount of
time, but you somehow feel qualified to critique a driver, or a spotter for
their actions in such a short time. If it had not been for the reply, you
would not have figured out what just happened before your very eyes on
Saturday, and you expect a driver that is negotiating a race, to somehow be
right there, on the ball? Geezus, you critics know nothing about this
sport.

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"Tom Duwe" <tomd88SPAMLESS (AT) bvunet (DOT) net> wrote

Come on Tom - how in the hell did he blink? Marcos made a daring move
inside and left no alternative short of wrecking. Since "blinked" has no
definition, I'll give you that you can claim he "blinked", but that's a
really weak statement.

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zagman wrote:
The interview I saw with Kyle it didn't look like he was whining at all. I
doubt even Ambrose would call his divebomb pass textbook driving. It was
just good thinking that happily worked out ok.

Here is what Ambrose had to say about it at the post race news conference;


MARCOS AMBROSE - Media Conference Questions:

QUESTION: Could you talk about the winner pass and is that a place where you
thought you had to make it after following Kyle for about eight laps?

"Yeah, I just didn't have to top end speed to make a classic pass on him. I
knew I was going to have to bomb him somewhere to try and get the win. He
wasn't going to make a mistake on his own, I was going to have to force one
on him.

"It's Kyle Busch we're talking about and he's going to race you hard, so I
just tried to throw the element of surprise in. I came from a fair way back
on him, maybe a car length and a half on him, and just bombed it in there
and I knew that it was a high-risk move, but it was one that was needed to
try and win the race.

"We're not here to come second, we're here to win, and I had that mindset
all weekend. Even when we had our issues during practice and things weren't
quite going our way, you've just got to have that fortitude that we came
here to win. We want to win and we're going to do everything we can to do
it.

"When you're passing Kyle Busch you've got to do something special, because
he doesn't want you to pass."

QUESTION: Kyle wasn't happy with that move. Should he not be happy? And if
you knew Kyle wasn't happy, how concerned were you about those restarts with
him next to you?

"Well, I never touched him. I've seen Kyle knock guys out for the win so I'm
not sure. You're racing against one of the best in the business and the
element of surprise was my tack. He clearly reacted late to me coming down
the inside there. I don't know what he's got to complain about. I passed him
without touching him and we won the race.

"I actually got the spotter to check with his - not that my spotter was
going to give me a straight answer anyway! - and he said 'no, it's no
problem' so I just sailed off into Turn 1 (at the restarts) to try and win
the race.

"It doesn't matter if he was mad at me anyway. I couldn't have done anything
different to what I did. I just tried to get the jump off the line and
again, just mix it up there on when I'd decide to actually get going for the
restarts and it worked out great both times."


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Chad

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) windstream (DOT) net> wrote in
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You could argue that Busch "blinked" by going down the escape lane
instead of turning in to the chicane. Ambrose was far enough over
the curb that Busch had room to turn right into the chicane. They
would have come together as they turned left into the center part
of the chicane, which certainly would have sent Ambrose into the
gravel trap, and might or might not have resulted in serious damage
to Busch.

Menard's similar attempt to pass for the lead earlier in the race
gives a good indication of what result would have been likely.

John

"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote

See - I wouldn't call that a blink. I'd call that a good decision. It's
not like Marcos caused Kyle to hesitate based on a fake of some sort - it
was pretty much a guarantee that if he took the chicane, the wreck was on.

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