"Nancy2" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote

On Jul 15, 7:04 pm, Fish <godwin.da... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
People - especially people who aren't particularly intelligent - lie
all the time in court documents, and stand behind their lies.


I think the gist here is that the same applies to those who live in the
'addicted' world - and methamphetamine (aka xstal meth) (ab)use would
certainly qualify them.

What
can a court prove? He said/she said is what it comes down to.

I don't know whether JM is guilty or not, but all this mess surely
isn't doing Nascar any good.....

N.

"Nancy2" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote

We're not simply talking NAZI sport, drug testing here .............. we're
talking illegal, illicit, societally outlawed, drugs.

"Riley 77" <riley (AT) noemail (DOT) com> wrote


They need 43. Competition for sponsors might be pretty steep between teams,
but NASCAR itself just thinks the more the merrier. If Mayfield can draw
sponsors, I can't see how that would hurt NASCAR. If he can't, they do not
need to frame him.

What do you think they are going to do to Tony Stewart?

An independent winning races and championships would do nothing but help the
sport. Why would NASCAR not want independents?


--
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and
grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if you've got
feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around your ankles so the
ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
- Dale Earnhardt

"Fish" <godwin.dave8 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote


Then he doesn't have a ride. Problem solved.


Actually, it's ludicrous. If they want more attention to focus on Jr, JJ,
and Stewart, then they need more Mayfields, who nobody pays attention to.
And Stewart is one of those "amazing" owner/drivers.

By falsifying more results, an action that cannot possibly be covered up?
Are you serious?

NASCAR does have the obligation to keep drug addicts out of their races,
you've got to give them that.


--
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and
grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if you've got
feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around your ankles so the
ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
- Dale Earnhardt

"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote

So find a guy and falsify his drug results?
Here is a better idea. How about they drug test every driver before every
race? Now that would be a strong and meaningful test policy.

I think they would hate the lawsuit they would surely lose if they were
falsifying Jeremy Mayfield's drug test results. There is absolutely no
upside in this for them to:

1. Pick a nobody driver that no one cares about and fake a drug test to make
an example of him. They have already made examples of drivers and others for
substance abuse issues.

2. Continue, after knowing this guy is going to fight, to falsify drug test
results to justify keeping him out of races, when no one is going to put him
in a car anyway, and he is not going to be able to draw sponsors himself.

3. Pay his stepmother to claim she has seen him drugging. There is a money
trail when you pay people, and if someone is willing to take your money to
lie, they are certainly willing to take somebody else's money to lie later.
You just can't pay someone to do lie about something like this in a
situation like this. That would be beyond insane.

I have always though Mayfield was a buffoon, but have no particular gripe
with the man. I have thought for just as long that NASCAR was run by
buffoons, too. But I think Occam's Razor applies here. The simplest
explanation is probably the right one. Mayfield has a meth problem, and he
got caught. Anything else requires too much risk for too little reward.


--
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and
grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if you've got
feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around your ankles so the
ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
- Dale Earnhardt

On Jul 16, 7:27*pm, "~M~" <~... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
i was not saying that the options i gave were logical, just possible.
it is nascar's duty to ensure the sport is 100% safe for the
competitors and the spectators. so if mayfield is truly using, then
nascar has done it's job in keeping him out of the sport...i'm simply
saying something about this story doesn't add up and i hope sooner
than later we will find out the truth. i think the easiest way to find
the truth would be to test a hair, why haven't they done this yet?
because either mayfield is lying and knows a hair will prove beyond a
doubt, or because nascar is and they know they will lose everything
they own

"nobody" <nobody (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote


It might be better to list the sports that do not drug test. Here it is:


Free to not race if you would rather spend your day fucked up?


--
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and
grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if you've got
feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around your ankles so the
ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
- Dale Earnhardt

"Fish" <godwin.dave8 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote


I know. And the whole thing begins to fall apart when you ask "What benefit
is it to NASCAR to set Jeremy Mayfield up?" Without an answer to this
question, there is really nothing to the rest of the story.

I doubt there is anything stopping Mayfield from doing that.


--
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and
grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if you've got
feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around your ankles so the
ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
- Dale Earnhardt

"~M~" <~M~@gmail.com> wrote in
news:UrudnQIzdPjBIcLXnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com:

I think it's more a case of jump on the first positive result,
without ever thinking about the possibility that it could be
in error.

They have money. Just like that discrimination lawsuit a year or
so back, if worst comes to worst they can find a dollar value
that will allow an out-of-court settlement.

Yeah, I doubt that happened too. I could see her having some sort
of problem with Mayfield, and doing it for spite, but not for
money. As you say, NASCAR is not that stupid.

I actually agree with this...something is not right with Mayfield,
and if he's not positive for meth something else is being hidden.
But NASCAR has also gone out of their way to dissemble and make
misleading statements...something is not right there, either, even
if it's just an unwillingness to admit their vaunted policy is
pretty much farcial.

John

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Fish
<godwin.dave8 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

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