In article "Silent Observer" <harrynospam (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

It isn't in the rule book.
However, it is a 'rule'
At each drivers' meeting, this is gone over.
They tell you where the line starts, where it ends, and what the speed is.
All of the little track specific details are in essence "rules" for the event.
Usually they are also included with the entries.

Nothing too complicated about this at all.
If they say 55, they give you 5, if you go over that, that was your bad,
and not NASCAR's.
That's the way it is explained every week.
No mystery. No brainer.

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Dan

No matter how much you push the envelope,
it'll still be stationery

"Tim Shelton" <noemail1543 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote



I still do not know what you don't understand, but you have made abundantly
clear why you don't.


--
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and
grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if you've got
feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around your ankles so the
ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
- Dale Earnhardt

Tim Shelton wrote:
It IS clear for everyone, but you.

Tim Shelton wrote:

this might help a little for those that are confused:
http://www.racintoday.com/archives/8260

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:47:08 -0400, TS02_05champ
<tonystewart02_05champ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Actually, it's not a bad idea. If your average through the entire
length is lower than the max allowed, then it does seem unfair to
penalize for very small spikes. It would be a bit more complicated,
but averaging would indeed be more forgiving of occasional spike
over-speeds in small amounts like Montoya's .06 and .11 mph.

- Remove the 5 mph over-speed allowance

- Remove maybe 5 seconds from the max average to account for a 3400
pound body slowing to a stop on a certain tire thickness and compound,
and then returning back up to speed (does not need to be exact
science, just the same for everyone)

- Set a max spike limit of perhaps 2 mph

- The pit stop duration is a non-factor since a speed can only be
recorded while the car is in motion

- Average all speeds in one second intervals with an independently
calibrated and certified GPS unit in each car

- Neither NASCAR nor the teams can monkey with the official GPS unit

- Let us all witness the speeds and their average on our television
sets

- If your average is over by just .01 yer busted and there should be
no complaints or disagreement from the teams

For good reason, the teams do not trust NASCAR or its current method.
And, of course, NASCAR would never give up such control. How would
they manipulate or mask the numeric results toward their desired
outcome if it is monitored independently and shown to all the world
in real time.

Still, it's an interesting idea to think about.

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:24:04 -0400, A. Jones <ajones (AT) intrtek (DOT) com>
wrote:

That should be ADD...

That should be UNDER...

Sorry, got a little dyslexic with it. LOL

In article A. Jones <ajones (AT) intrtek (DOT) com> wrote:

This has to be one of the stupidest ideas ever.

Think about it.
Right now they give you 5 mph.
FIVE.
Look at how complicated of a system this guy is proposing..
You get FIVE mph, now, and he is suggesting
setting a max to TWO!!!!!!!!!
Yeah... that's much better!!!

Nobody is monkeying with the current system of transpnders!!!!
You can't "tinker" with them, they are sending a signal!!
Do you think they have some sort of program built into the software,
that allows you to change the characteristics of each car to provide
special results?

Now it's .01 over.
Oh yeah.... that's a lot better than FIVE!!

Which ones?
Show me ONE team, that does not trust the current system.
Even Felix said he is okay with it!!
Granted, he doesn't have as much at stake as you do,
but still.....

It's a joke.
There is nothing more simple than no, or no go.
You either are within an EXTREMELY generous FIVE mph, or you aren't.
What the fuck is so hard to understand?

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Dan

No matter how much you push the envelope,
it'll still be stationery

On 2009-07-31, A Jones <ajones (AT) intrtek (DOT) com> wrote:
GPS is nowhere near accurate enough to give positions that could be used
to calculate speed with the detail you would need.
A transmitter in the car make far more sense.

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:47:27 -0500, SG <spaamtrapper (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Where's the part about how NASCAR verifies and safeguards the
integrity of the data it puts on the monitor screen?

I did like this quote, "It's an outstanding system except when
IT'S YOUR TURN to get bonked." LOL

On 31 Jul 2009 15:36:34 GMT, Paul Murray <paul (AT) murray (DOT) net> wrote:

Fair enough, then a transponder it should be.