Move for Jr?

#21

"Ryan Cooper" <ryanc829 (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

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"J Haag" <jhaag.spam (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:42:06 -0500, Ryan Cooper wrote:
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No one from NBC said Ryan should move over. I do think that Jr. was
way
too
damn patient.

Too damn patient? What should he have been getting impatient over?
Besides his inability to pass Newman cleanly.

Wanna win with that few las to go ya do what ya gotta do. Blocking isn't
exactly clean racing either.

There was some blocking I would say. But when Jr. was alongside, and
couldn't complete the pass, that was RN doing his job, not blocking. Jr.
ran many corners this way but RN just had a fast car and Jr.'s wasn't fast
enough where it needed to be to do a clean pass.

-Russ.

#22

"Wheeler" <wheeler2468 (AT) hotmailDONTSENDSPAM (DOT) com> wrote

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Vinnie Vega wrote:

snip, who cares what he wrote

I don't know about anybody else, but the battle between Newman and Jr.
was some of the best racing I've seen all season.

Absolutely. Good, clean short track racing. Jr. didn't ram Ryan out of the
way, and Ryan ran his own line has hard as he could. Jr. could've hit him
solid going into the turn and turned him, but he didn't. Loved it.

(and
I'm a Newman fan btw.)

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#23

In article <1066597574.993984 (AT) news001 (DOT) transaeris.com>,
William Bradshaw <dougfromtos (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

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Rusty Unger wrote:

What should he have been getting impatient over?

The fact that his car was faster than Newman's and that he wanted to
get to the front. Newman help him up, but with the race winding down,
he did what he could to keep the position. Suprised Dale Jr. didn't
bump him hard earlier. Great race for position by both drivers, one
not willing to give up a great position, and one wanting to get to the
front.

Agreed on all points. It seemed that Jr. was a little faster than
Newman. I understand Newman wanting to stay in front, but blocking like
that isn't clean IMO.

Funny; when it's an Earnhardt doing it, all of you applaud it.

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He had to know his actions would aggrivate Dale,
and in the end it showed. Had Newman been faster, he could've kept up
with Jr. He didn't. So, I don't blame Dale for doing what he did.

-Will

#24

"William Bradshaw" <dougfromtos (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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Rusty Unger wrote:

What should he have been getting impatient over?

The fact that his car was faster than Newman's and that he wanted to
get to the front. Newman help him up, but with the race winding down,
he did what he could to keep the position. Suprised Dale Jr. didn't
bump him hard earlier. Great race for position by both drivers, one
not willing to give up a great position, and one wanting to get to the
front.

Agreed on all points. It seemed that Jr. was a little faster than
Newman. I understand Newman wanting to stay in front, but blocking like
that isn't clean IMO. He had to know his actions would aggrivate Dale,
and in the end it showed. Had Newman been faster, he could've kept up
with Jr. He didn't. So, I don't blame Dale for doing what he did.

-Will

Was RN a lap down? If not he had every right to protect his position.

#25

J Haag writes:

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Any no talent hack can bump someone out of the way. It takes a good driver to
pass someone who is almost as fast as they are clean.

In an interview on MRN, Gordon stated that moving a slower car out of the way
(if it's holding you up) is just part of short track racing. If he said it, it
must be true.

Semper Fidelis

#26

"J Haag" <jhaag.spam (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote

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On 20 Oct 2003 02:23:25 GMT, ScottB wrote:

"4-X-Champ" wrote:

You mean Jr should have done what his dad did to Terry Labonte at Bristol?

No. Junior did what Jeff Gordon would have done. "Help" the slower car out of
the way. Short track racing at its finest.

Short track racing at it's finest is good *clean* side by side racing.
Any no talent hack can bump someone out of the way. It takes a good
driver to pass someone who is almost as fast as they are clean.

Ryan took the outside and gave Jr. plenty of room on the inside to try and make the pass.
It's not Ryan's fault that Jr. wasn't set up for fast low groove laps.

#27

"Vinnie Vega" <Vinnie (AT) fiction (DOT) com> wrote

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Since when is everyone supposed to move over for Jr? Isn't the spot for
position? Phuck Jr. and NBC.

No one is supposed to move over for anyone unless you are a lap or more down
and then you will get the flag telling you to get the hell out of the way.

JR needs to get a bit more aggressive when it comes to times like this, he
knew he had the faster car and he knew Newman was holding him up, he should
have tried it the way he was doing it for a couple of laps and then made the
BIG move and got him the hell out of the way!

Besides, he owes Newman one. I forget exactly which race it was last year,
but I'm sure someone in here can refresh my memory as to which race it was
that Newman did the Big ole Bump and Run on JR last year and almost made him
lose it into the wall.

I'm well aware that JR chooses to not drive the way SR did, but it's OK to
be a bit more aggressive and do the Bump and Run especially when someone is
holding you up and ruining your chance at winning the race like Newman was.

Once JR does this a few times to the other drivers they will stop doing
things like Newman did to him yesterday. IMHO that was disrespectful,
Newman knew he didn't have the car to run with JR yet he held him up anyway.
Would he have done that to Gordon, Stewart, Rudd, Harvick or any number of
other drivers who are known for not putting up with that kind of thing? Not
if he didn't want to take the chance of being spun in traffic and possibly
being hit by oncoming traffic or hitting the wall.

That's the way things are heading in racing today and JR needs to get with
the program or it's going to be a lot longer before he wins on a track other
than a restrictor plate track. Just take a look in Mark Martin's direction
for clarification of that fact!

#28

"Mrbledsoe" <Mrbledsoethesmindaoc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

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"Vinnie Vega" <Vinnie (AT) fiction (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Since when is everyone supposed to move over for Jr? Isn't the spot for
position? Phuck Jr. and NBC.

No one is supposed to move over for anyone unless you are a lap or more down
and then you will get the flag telling you to get the hell out of the way.

JR needs to get a bit more aggressive when it comes to times like this, he
knew he had the faster car and he knew Newman was holding him up, he should
have tried it the way he was doing it for a couple of laps and then made the
BIG move and got him the hell out of the way!

Besides, he owes Newman one. I forget exactly which race it was last year,
but I'm sure someone in here can refresh my memory as to which race it was
that Newman did the Big ole Bump and Run on JR last year and almost made him
lose it into the wall.

I'm well aware that JR chooses to not drive the way SR did, but it's OK to
be a bit more aggressive and do the Bump and Run especially when someone is
holding you up and ruining your chance at winning the race like Newman was.

Once JR does this a few times to the other drivers they will stop doing
things like Newman did to him yesterday. IMHO that was disrespectful,
Newman knew he didn't have the car to run with JR yet he held him up anyway.
Would he have done that to Gordon, Stewart, Rudd, Harvick or any number of
other drivers who are known for not putting up with that kind of thing? Not
if he didn't want to take the chance of being spun in traffic and possibly
being hit by oncoming traffic or hitting the wall.

That's the way things are heading in racing today and JR needs to get with
the program or it's going to be a lot longer before he wins on a track other
than a restrictor plate track. Just take a look in Mark Martin's direction
for clarification of that fact!

Newman chose to run the high groove and he had every right to do that. He gave Jr lots of

room low to make his pass attempts.
Jr unfortunately didn't have a car which could pass low like TS had at one point. You are
forgetting Martinsville is a two groove track now. All the drivers commented how much
better the racing is now that you could have a choice of which groove to run.

#29

"Mrbledsoe" <Mrbledsoethesmindaoc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

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"Vinnie Vega" <Vinnie (AT) fiction (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Since when is everyone supposed to move over for Jr? Isn't the spot for
position? Phuck Jr. and NBC.

No one is supposed to move over for anyone unless you are a lap or more
down
and then you will get the flag telling you to get the hell out of the way.

JR needs to get a bit more aggressive when it comes to times like this, he
knew he had the faster car and he knew Newman was holding him up, he
should
have tried it the way he was doing it for a couple of laps and then made
the
BIG move and got him the hell out of the way!

Besides, he owes Newman one. I forget exactly which race it was last
year,
but I'm sure someone in here can refresh my memory as to which race it was
that Newman did the Big ole Bump and Run on JR last year and almost made
him
lose it into the wall.

I'm well aware that JR chooses to not drive the way SR did, but it's OK to
be a bit more aggressive and do the Bump and Run especially when someone
is
holding you up and ruining your chance at winning the race like Newman
was.

Once JR does this a few times to the other drivers they will stop doing
things like Newman did to him yesterday. IMHO that was disrespectful,
Newman knew he didn't have the car to run with JR yet he held him up
anyway.
Would he have done that to Gordon, Stewart, Rudd, Harvick or any number of
other drivers who are known for not putting up with that kind of thing?
Not
if he didn't want to take the chance of being spun in traffic and possibly
being hit by oncoming traffic or hitting the wall.

That's the way things are heading in racing today and JR needs to get with
the program or it's going to be a lot longer before he wins on a track
other
than a restrictor plate track. Just take a look in Mark Martin's
direction
for clarification of that fact!

Baloney. From talking to people who were actually there, Jr did beat on him
hard... and a lot more evidently than it looked like he did on tv. Newman
held on to it though. As well, I'm sure if Jr. wants to race Newman like
you think he should(move him out of the way)... Newman won't have any
problem racing Jr. the same way next time it happens... and it will happen.
As it went, I think both drivers raced as hard as they could without
purposely wrecking the other guy, and that's the way it should be.

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#30

In news:UOclb.9258$Fc5.5788 (AT) nwrdny01 (DOT) gnilink.net,
Mrbledsoe <Mrbledsoethesmindaoc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> burped and spewed forth the
following:

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IMHO that was disrespectful, Newman knew he didn't have the car to run
with JR yet
he held him up anyway.

Disrespectful????? What in the world is there to respect in a race? It's a
damned race for god's sake. The purpose is to finish ahead of the other
guy.
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-Mike-
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