My take on Tony

#11

"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam (AT) nospamhere (DOT) au> wrote

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BFS wrote:

"Will" <willt65 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in
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Personally, I think Tony is a helluva driver, most of the time. But it's
days like this that makes you wonder if he squanders some of his talent.
He gets a top 5 after all the problems he had. Just think what he could
have done if he raced clean all day.

I don't think anyone with an objective viewpoint could say Tony is
anything less than a world-class driver. Unfortunately, he's a
world-class driver with a hair-trigger temper and an incredible,
incredible level of immaturity.

I predict several more championships in his future if - and that's a big
IF - he ever grows up.

-Bob

He's probably capable of the championships even with his current attitide.
If he gets his temper in check, he could do quite well for himself.

Back to anger management classes for Tony.........

#12

Gregory Bailey wrote:

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Tony messed up today, he was rightfully penalized for it, he came back to
have a good finish, let's move on to Fontana.

"Will" <willt65 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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Clearly, the guy was his own worst enemy today. His run-in with Gordon was
pretty much a racing deal, but he could have let off the gas, especially
that early in the race. I tend to agree with Gordon that the blame was on
both sides. His bump with Kenseth was way out of hand, I have no idea what
he was doing going way below the yellow line for a block. He knows if
Kenseth attempts to pass below the yellow it's no good anyway. He is lucky
he got a back of the pack penalty too. He should have received at least a
drive through on pit road, like the others. He messed up on pit road, too,
parking it too close to the wall, thus running over the jack. All in all,
the guy could have been a contender for the win. But he let his temper and
bone-head moves get the better of him.

Good ol' Tony - ever the hypocritical bully. He whines about Kenseth
bumping him "20 laps into the race," and yet doesn't have the guts to
give Jeff a little room, also "20 laps into the race."

It would be nice to have a champion that acted like a champion, instead
of one that cannot even see his own hypocracy. I wonder what he DOES
think when he looks in the mirror...."that applies to everyone but me,"
evidently.

N.

#13

Didn't they say that when he won his 1st? Then his 2nd? LOL!

"BFS" <seetext (AT) bottom (DOT) ofpost> wrote

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"Will" <willt65 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in
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Personally, I think Tony is a helluva driver, most of the time. But it's
days like this that makes you wonder if he squanders some of his talent.
He gets a top 5 after all the problems he had. Just think what he could
have done if he raced clean all day.

I don't think anyone with an objective viewpoint could say Tony is
anything
less than a world-class driver. Unfortunately, he's a world-class driver
with
a hair-trigger temper and an incredible, incredible level of immaturity.

I predict several more championships in his future if - and that's a big
IF -
he ever grows up.

-Bob

#14

Quote:

Personally, I think Tony is a helluva driver, most of the time. But it's
days like this that makes you wonder if he squanders some of his talent. He
gets a top 5 after all the problems he had. Just think what he could have
done if he raced clean all day.

That's the bad thing - if Tony is such a helluva driver that everyone
thinks he is, he shouldn't have to resort to taking his frustrations
out on the track. He could be the "bigger man," so to speak, and not
retaliate for every little thing. He's starting to look more and more
like Dale Jarrett, the way he always has to get even. He needs to grow
up, finally.

N.

#15

"Nancy1" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote

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Personally, I think Tony is a helluva driver, most of the time. But it's
days like this that makes you wonder if he squanders some of his talent.
He
gets a top 5 after all the problems he had. Just think what he could
have
done if he raced clean all day.

That's the bad thing - if Tony is such a helluva driver that everyone
thinks he is, he shouldn't have to resort to taking his frustrations
out on the track. He could be the "bigger man," so to speak, and not
retaliate for every little thing. He's starting to look more and more
like Dale Jarrett, the way he always has to get even. He needs to grow
up, finally.

This thought is one that comes up every time a driver loses his temper or
lets his emotions get the better of him, and I whole disagree. The whole
notion of "being a bigger man" is quite subjective by itself and is wholly
dependent upon your definition of what makes a man. Add to that the fact
that these events unfold instantly, under high pressure situations that the
folks making the comments have never even experienced, and the thought
becomes somewhat irrelevant. How many of us don't find ourselves overcome
by things on a day to day basis? Ok - so maybe not day to day, but I think
you know what I'm trying to say. Sure - it's going to be rougher than a lot
of other things - tennis, for example, but it's auto racing. It's not the
ladies choir practice. Rough and tumble is going to result in some stuff
from time to time. It's not like everyone from the fans to the competitors
themselves simply excuses every occurrence - there is a concentrated focus
on this stuff. They work on keeping things in check, but every so often
it's going to blow up. That's just the way things go.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

#16

Nancy1 wrote:

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Good ol' Tony - ever the hypocritical bully. He whines about Kenseth
bumping him "20 laps into the race," and yet doesn't have the guts to
give Jeff a little room, also "20 laps into the race."

It would be nice to have a champion that acted like a champion, instead
of one that cannot even see his own hypocracy. I wonder what he DOES
think when he looks in the mirror...."that applies to everyone but me,"
evidently.

N.

What is "act like a champion"? He is who he is. If he's good enough to
be a champion the way he is,then he's acting like a champion.

Does he have to conform to a fan's image to win?

#17

BudManRules wrote:

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Cal Vanize <forgetthespam (AT) nospamhere (DOT) au> wrote:

Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, etc etc. If you
see no difference, the discussion's over before it began.

Michael Jordan's teammate Dennis Rodman. There's a class act champion.

Lets try a few others. John McIntyre, Jimmy Connors. Charles Barkley.
Roberto Duran, Leon Spinks. Barry Bonds.

Oh, you want some closer to NASCAR? Plenty of tempers in racing.

So what kind of pedastal do your champion gods need to stand on? Or do
you just expect them to perform.

I look for performance. If you don't like to follow top performance,
then "the discussion is over before it began."

#18

"Nancy1" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote

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Personally, I think Tony is a helluva driver, most of the time. But it's
days like this that makes you wonder if he squanders some of his talent.
He
gets a top 5 after all the problems he had. Just think what he could have
done if he raced clean all day.

That's the bad thing - if Tony is such a helluva driver that everyone
thinks he is, he shouldn't have to resort to taking his frustrations
out on the track. He could be the "bigger man," so to speak, and not
retaliate for every little thing. He's starting to look more and more
like Dale Jarrett, the way he always has to get even. He needs to grow
up, finally.

N.

I don't think he can do much about his temper, other than go to anger
management classes. It's obvious he has a temper problem. It's not an
excuse, it's just a fact. The guy does have issues, that's for sure.

#19

"Cal Vanize" wrote...

Quote:

BFS wrote:

I predict several more championships in his future if - and that's a big IF -
he ever grows up.

He's probably capable of the championships even with his current attitide. If
he gets his temper in check, he could do quite well for himself.

He's won 2 as a jerk, sounds like a winning formula!

#20

WildWeasel wrote:

Quote:

"Cal Vanize" wrote...

BFS wrote:

I predict several more championships in his future if - and that's a big IF -
he ever grows up.

He's probably capable of the championships even with his current attitide. If
he gets his temper in check, he could do quite well for himself.

He's won 2 as a jerk, sounds like a winning formula!

It might be that the aggressive personality has some carryover to his
driving style. But that might not be classified as a jerk.