On 06 Dec 2004 23:39:00 GMT, MzsweetpeaRASN wrote:

If it was needles, wouldn't the use of whatever he was shooting up have shown up
in drug testing? Didn't NASCAR require drug testing back then?

He had such a reputation as a ladies man that infection by a woman is the
obvious conclusion.


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"H.B. Elkins" <hbelkins (AT) mis (DOT) net.restrictorplate> wrote

I also feel that it was an infection from a woman. I was living in South
Florida back when Tim's popularity was at its highest, not long before his
infection became public knowledge. For a young, successful male, there were
scads of women available, all willing, and very active. Not two weeks after
I heard of his AIDs infection, I went and got tested myself, being very
single at the time.

That said, when you go back and look at some of the "Up Close" style
profiles of Tim away from the track, with the clothes he wore, and the
"larger than life" style that he had, it does sure seem to have a "gay"
appearance; but that may be more of the passage of time between the eighties
and now.

Carey in Manvel

"H.B. Elkins" <hbelkins (AT) mis (DOT) net.restrictorplate> wrote

Are you kidding? They barely do it now.

-Russ.

One of the few who made Earnhardt look normal talented.....
"MzsweetpeaRASN" <mzsweetpearasn (AT) aol (DOT) comspamless> wrote

Yes Tim was something else. I was discussing with another group about how they
show all these old races on ESPN classic. And I brought up, I'd give anything
to see one of the old races that Tim was driving in. Seems like they kinda
just wrote him out of the picture. Not sure if it's intentional or
not...probably not, but still one rarely sees an old race with him in it.

Mz JJ

"H.B. Elkins" <hbelkins (AT) mis (DOT) net.restrictorplate> wrote

Yep! They sure did! He had suffered a severe bout of pneumonia prior to the
1987 season. (an AIDS related strain at that) He started off racing the
1987 season after finishing 3rd in the standings in 1986. He was taking
massive doses of Sudafed (OTC decongestant) to prevent a recurrence of the
pneumonia. NASCAR tested his urine, found the Sudafed and suspended him.
A lot of litigation ensued and NASCAR wanted access to his medical records
(which presumably would have revealed his HIV positive status) To make a
long story short, they didn't get access to his records and consequently,
Tim only ran 8 races which consisted of 2 wins and a handful of top 10's

"¤¤¤ Abo ¤¤¤" <nospam (AT) myaddress (DOT) thanks> wrote in news:vfBtd.153$Ii3.14
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Not in the arm, 'cause all that knew him said he hated needles..
Not in the Ass either.. most drivers of the day will admit to Richmond's #1
weakness...Ladies of the Night...

And this is not my opinion, it is a well documented fact... Google this
grolp and read the responses to the same argument since its inception.. and
Check out past copies of "Stock Car Racing Magazine"

Another Ole Fart

"MzsweetpeaRASN" <mzsweetpearasn (AT) aol (DOT) comspamless> wrote

from the open wheel ranks, but quite a bit of his driving was in the
supermodifieds. I recall seeing a car he was helping to develop with three
wheels on the right side of the car and only one on the left.

Carey in Manvel

"¤¤¤ Abo ¤¤¤" <nospam (AT) myaddress (DOT) thanks> wrote in
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I met Dan Gurney, Malcolm Smith, Roger DeCoster and several others at
various parties our neighbor had when I was a kid. Gurney was the epitome
of cool as far as I was concerned. My neighbor's son started wrenching for
Malcolm while were still in high school.

Bud

"¤¤¤ Abo ¤¤¤" <nospam (AT) myaddress (DOT) thanks> wrote in
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for that you are forgiven....

Another Ole Fart