NASCAR and it's Southern roots - Mike Helton's comments

#31

Crusader - Fri, Feb 24 2006 4:53 pm "Crusader" <c... (AT) comcast (DOT) net>

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"rj24" <rrick... (AT) quacko (DOT) com> wrote in message

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as though we all must do our part to be tolerant - it's wrong when Farakkan rants on about the "white devils" and it is wrong when >>the Klan rants about "niggers." Thank God this is America and we all have the right to express an opinion but if one uses that right >>to express a racist opinion they must be prepared to be labled a racist.

That's ok, just don't draw a bomb in a towel on someone's head

Call it racist but i call it WWIII with savages.
CRU

lol> I believe the cartoon thing blew up over a Danish newspaper comic

strip, and the minorities in France rampaging because the French
government treats them like second class citizens ... you gotta love it
when these socialist countries, with their noses turned up at the US,
implode.

--
rj24

#32

rj24 wrote:

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No, it doesn't make you racist but to be having a conversation with
your friends where the phrase "I don't have anything against blacks
but I wouldn't marry one" is uttered hints at bigotry and is likely
thinly disguised racism.

What if you are hanging out with your friends and say "I have nothing
against short, fat women with small tits; but I would never marry one"?
What is that? Everybody has the God given right to pick who they want to
befriend or wed. And it can be based on race, religion, cultural
similarities, body type, sexual interests, or ability to cook a good
pasta sauce. What is happening here is that Blacks have made a definite
attempt to separate themselved culturally from Whites. Different
sub-language, different interests, different views on drugs, affluence,
and even religion. That is fine - all races have every right in this
country to define themselves culturally. Now what is not fair is to label
other cultures as racist because they find this other culture unattractive
to them.

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If so, have you ever married a Black woman? Been engaged to one?
Lived with one? Why not - why only Whites? 1 out of ever 10 >woman
is Black here in USA - has 1 out of every 10 of your serious
girlfriends been Black?

lol> Do you realize that your statistics show that my chance of
dating a white female is 90%. You have defeated the argument you were
trying to make.

If you dated 20 women in your life, if you are not racist then 4 of those
women should have statistically been Black.

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Your knowledge of statistics is skewed ... the rate of blacks in
America (closer to 13%)

I rounded to the nearest 10% mark; and it's 13.7% to be exact. My
knowledge of statistics is fine, thank you.

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has no relation whatsoever with my family
tree, or yours, or anyone else for that matter. We start getting into
my age, where I'm from, etc. Get it?

Blacks are disbursed all throughout America. You have had ample
opportunity to date Blacks. IMHO, it is not racist to be attracted to a
specific race or unattracted to another. Also IMHO, racism is when you
act off of that in a way that threatens the life, livelyhood, or rights of
the other race.

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_________________________________________
The bullshit stops when the hammer drops.
2nd Amendment - the original Homeland Security

#33

The Hammer - Sun, Feb 26 2006 2:12 pm

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rj24 wrote:

No, it doesn't make you racist but to be having a conversation with
your friends where the phrase "I don't have anything against blacks
but I wouldn't marry one" is uttered hints at bigotry and is likely
thinly disguised racism.

What if you are hanging out with your friends and say "I have nothing
against short, fat women with small tits; but I would never marry one"?
What is that? Everybody has the God given right to pick who they want to
befriend or wed. And it can be based on race, religion, cultural
similarities, body type, sexual interests, or ability to cook a good
pasta sauce.

....if that choice is based solely upon anothers race then it's racist.

What is happening here is that Blacks have made a definite attempt to
separate themselved culturally from Whites. Different sub-language,
different interests, different views on drugs, affluence, and even religion.

I don't disagree that some do. <shrug

That is fine - all races have every right in this country to define themselves
culturally. Now what is not fair is to label other cultures as racist because
they find this other culture unattractive to them.

I would agree but as I said, a lot of people use that as an excuse ...

which is
why I stated that I had no idea whether you were racist or not but the
statements that you made appeared to be racist and bigoted.

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If so, have you ever married a Black woman? Been engaged to one?
Lived with one? Why not - why only Whites? 1 out of ever 10 woman
is Black here in USA - has 1 out of every 10 of your serious
girlfriends been Black?

lol> Do you realize that your statistics show that my chance of
dating a white female is 90%. You have defeated the argument you were
trying to make.

If you dated 20 women in your life, if you are not racist then 4 of those women
should have statistically been Black.

Except that I don't live in the whole country, haven't lived in the

same place all
my life, and a hundred other reasons why those statistics can't give an
accurate view of the odds of me dating a black female.

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Your knowledge of statistics is skewed ... the rate of blacks in
America (closer to 13%)

I rounded to the nearest 10% mark; and it's 13.7% to be exact. My
knowledge of statistics is fine, thank you.

Sure. But you are using a national statistic when I only live in one

place.
That 13.7% is centered mostly in large urban areas for one thing ...

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has no relation whatsoever with my family tree, or yours, or anyone else
for that matter. We start getting into my age, where I'm from, etc. Get it?

Blacks are disbursed all throughout America.

Not in large numbers.

You have had ample opportunity to date Blacks.

Is that right ... well, I'm glad you clued me in as I had no idea of

the
opportunity I have obviously been missing out on. <lol>

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IMHO, it is not racist to be attracted to a specific race or unattracted to another.
Also IMHO, racism is when you act off of that in a way that threatens the life,
livelyhood, or rights of the other race.

Fair enough. I have to go now, there are black females awaiting me!

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rj24

#34

rj24 wrote:

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The Hammer - Sun, Feb 26 2006 2:12 pm
What if you are hanging out with your friends and say "I have nothing
against short, fat women with small tits; but I would never marry
one"?
What is that? Everybody has the God given right to pick who they
want to
befriend or wed. And it can be based on race, religion, cultural
similarities, body type, sexual interests, or ability to cook a
good
pasta sauce.

...if that choice is based solely upon anothers race then it's racist.

Nope. Dictionary.com says that to be a racist you have to believe that
differences in human character make once race superior to the others and
that you have to show discrimination or prejudice based on race. To marry
someone within your own race does not make you racist; or 99.9% of the
humans on this planet would be racist.

--
_________________________________________
The bullshit stops when the hammer drops.
2nd Amendment - the original Homeland Security

#35

The Hammer

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rj24 wrote:
The Hammer

What if you are hanging out with your friends and say "I have nothing
against short, fat women with small tits; but I would never marry one"?
What is that? Everybody has the God given right to pick who they want
to befriend or wed. And it can be based on race, religion, cultural
similarities, body type, sexual interests, or ability to cook a good
pasta sauce.

...if that choice is based solely upon anothers race then it's racist.

Nope. Dictionary.com says that to be a racist you have to believe that
differences in human character make once race superior to the others and

Mmmm...

that you have to show discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Hmm...not dating someone *because they are black* seems to meet the

latter criteria.

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To marry someone within your own race does not make you racist;

No, but to rule out an entire race *because of their race* is, well, a

racist
attitude ... no matter how you try to muddle it up.

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or 99.9% of the humans on this planet would be racist.

I would venture a guess that most people would agree that when you

exclude
someone from anything *because of their race* it's, well, a racist
attitude. The
fact that one dates white women because that's what they find
attractive is
one thing, to look make the statement that "I don't have anything
against blacks
but I wouldn't marry one" is a racist attitude regardless of how
dictionary.com
would define it.

--
rj24

#36

rj24 wrote:

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I would venture a guess that most people would agree that when you
exclude
someone from anything *because of their race* it's, well, a racist
attitude. The
fact that one dates white women because that's what they find
attractive is
one thing, to look make the statement that "I don't have anything
against blacks
but I wouldn't marry one" is a racist attitude regardless of how
dictionary.com
would define it.

But that's a whole different scenario. This whole conversation has been
about "I do not find Black women attractive". I don't think that's racist.

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_________________________________________
The bullshit stops when the hammer drops.
2nd Amendment - the original Homeland Security

#37

SimRacer wrote:

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"WildWeasel" <wweasel_24 (AT) HooYah (DOT) com> wrote in message
So can a redneck live in PA? I like BBQ, beans, corn bread and greens too.
Sure. I know rednecks from the state of NY (but not NYC), and even know one
from Sacremento CA. I am pretty sure I didn't, on purpose, pigeonhole
rednecks as a Southern breed of person in my diatribe. Like that old line
from Skynyrd's song "Sweet Home Alabama".....something along the lines of
"being Southern is a state of mind..." and not necessarily a physical
location. I think the same can be said of redneckism.

I'm living in SoCal right now, but I grew up on Long Island, in New
York. I grew up listening to Country, watching the WWF and tuning into
NASCAR since the 80's. And I'm Chinese.
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"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For within
these Trials, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, Jameson Stalanthas Yu -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>

#38

~consul wrote:

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SimRacer wrote:
"WildWeasel" <wweasel_24 (AT) HooYah (DOT) com> wrote in message
So can a redneck live in PA? I like BBQ, beans, corn bread and
greens too.
Sure. I know rednecks from the state of NY (but not NYC), and even
know one
from Sacremento CA. I am pretty sure I didn't, on purpose, pigeonhole
rednecks as a Southern breed of person in my diatribe. Like that old line
from Skynyrd's song "Sweet Home Alabama".....something along the lines of
"being Southern is a state of mind..." and not necessarily a physical
location. I think the same can be said of redneckism.
I'm living in SoCal right now, but I grew up on Long Island, in New
York. I grew up listening to Country, watching the WWF and tuning into
NASCAR since the 80's. And I'm Chinese.

Folks would say that my great grandfather must have been R.E. Lee.
(though my lastname is Yu)
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For within
these Trials, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, Jameson Stalanthas Yu -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>

#39

~consul wrote:

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I'm living in SoCal right now, but I grew up on Long Island, in New
York. I grew up listening to Country, watching the WWF and tuning into
NASCAR since the 80's. And I'm Chinese.

You must be younger than I am. I grew up in Brookyn listening to Imus in
the Morning and listening to Dan Ingram. Both AM, of course.

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_________________________________________
The bullshit stops when the hammer drops.
2nd Amendment - the original Homeland Security

#40

"~consul" <consul (AT) INVALIDdolphins-cove (DOT) com> wrote

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I'm living in SoCal right now, but I grew up on Long Island, in New York.
I grew up listening to Country, watching the WWF and tuning into NASCAR
since the 80's. And I'm Chinese.

Long Island? I went to college up there.

Carey in Manvel

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