NASCAR shouldn't touch Talladega

#11

Crusader wrote:

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"SimRacer" <simracer68NO (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:12:27 -0700 (PDT), "!"
IllustriousPotentate (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
After watching Talladega the other day, would you take you and your
family to the race and sit in the first couple rows of seats? I wouldn't.
That's exactly the attitude that will self-police this problem. If
enough folks refuse to take those (crappy to begin with) first few
rows of seats, then the tracks will eventually eliminate them. That's
the logical fix to this problem - get rid of the rows as far back from
the front as debris flew to on Sunday, then take out an extra 10 or so
rows for good meaure.

The only ones that got hurt, besides Geoff hisself, when Goeffrey
Bodine knocked down the fence at Daytona a decade or so age, were in
the first few rows...Bodine survived (tho there is a Bondine bar built
into every NCWTS truck now to prevent tire-ride-over issues on side
impact collisions).

The only ones that got injured on Sunday, imagine that, were in the
first few rows. Notice a pattern?

The front rows at a NASCAR event, in direct contrast to stick and ball
sports, are often the cheapest seats in the house - you can't see much
of the track from them. Get rid of them - build higher up. Bristol has
proven that not only possible, but quite profitable as well.

The drivers suit up every week knowing that it may be their last race
- but we should give the fans more of a cushion of safety IMO. Without
screwing anymore with the cars or tracks...

Excellent POV Sim--self policing just like JBurton did with KyBusch on-track.

Kewl u mentioned Geoffrey Bodeene in CTS. I've been working up to a
fact-based response to 'The Alarmists of Dangerous Dega' & only misremembered
GBod's death-defying, catchfence flying performance by 5 years!
Caint believe the 1st Truck Race at Daytona was in 2000!!

I responded to a few regular N writers asking them: how many times
since Bobby Allison's 1987 Dega Catchfence has any 'nascar' gotten into any
catchfence? I'm still waiting for their replies

Other than GBod, i don't recall any! U? Maybe Neil Bonnett'93?
Spooky that Neil died at a '94 Daytona practice in a James Finch car

The first thing Finch said in the post race press conf was about Neil.

THE MODERATOR: James Finch, how about this win today?

JAMES FINCH: Oh, this win is the best thing best thing to ever happen to
me. I'd really like to dedicate this race to Neil Bonnett's family. Neil
died in my car in '94 trying to do what we did today. I would really
like to dedicate that to them and everybody that helped me throughout
the years.

http://motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=325564&FS=NASCAR*

Quote:

Another anti-alarmist pov could be: How many N drivers have suffered
injuries to prevent them from running the next race since the advent of
HANS & SAFER? NONE?
CRU

#12

Talledga and Daytona are controversial and have nasty wrecks because
they are plate tracks. The restrictor plates make it darned difficult
to accelerate and pass so the cars get all bunched up and when things
go bad they go bad on a grand scale.

The tracks can stay just as they are. NASCAR can slow the cars down
with engine specs that reduce the horsepower of the engines in a
variety of ways. The engines would still allow the drivers to paass
and accelerate which right now they have a tough time doing. Oh -
changing the engines would eliminate the need for the restricotr
plates and enhance engien durability.

NASCAR simply doesn't want to do that.

#13

"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

NASCAR shouldn't touch Talladega

Don't worry, they won't. They didn't make any significant safety mods until
Senior was killed and the only reason they did then was because of all the
fans they lost. Nothing will change at Dega unless Junior is maimed or
killed.

#14

Crusader wrote:

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"SimRacer" <simracer68NO (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:12:27 -0700 (PDT), "!"
IllustriousPotentate (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
After watching Talladega the other day, would you take you and your
family to the race and sit in the first couple rows of seats? I wouldn't.
That's exactly the attitude that will self-police this problem. If
enough folks refuse to take those (crappy to begin with) first few
rows of seats, then the tracks will eventually eliminate them. That's
the logical fix to this problem - get rid of the rows as far back from
the front as debris flew to on Sunday, then take out an extra 10 or so
rows for good meaure.

The only ones that got hurt, besides Geoff hisself, when Goeffrey
Bodine knocked down the fence at Daytona a decade or so age, were in
the first few rows...Bodine survived (tho there is a Bondine bar built
into every NCWTS truck now to prevent tire-ride-over issues on side
impact collisions).

The only ones that got injured on Sunday, imagine that, were in the
first few rows. Notice a pattern?

The front rows at a NASCAR event, in direct contrast to stick and ball
sports, are often the cheapest seats in the house - you can't see much
of the track from them. Get rid of them - build higher up. Bristol has
proven that not only possible, but quite profitable as well.

The drivers suit up every week knowing that it may be their last race
- but we should give the fans more of a cushion of safety IMO. Without
screwing anymore with the cars or tracks...

Excellent POV Sim--self policing just like JBurton did with KyBusch on-track.

Kewl u mentioned Geoffrey Bodeene in CTS. I've been working up to a
fact-based response to 'The Alarmists of Dangerous Dega' & only misremembered
GBod's death-defying, catchfence flying performance by 5 years!
Caint believe the 1st Truck Race at Daytona was in 2000!!

I responded to a few regular N writers asking them: how many times
since Bobby Allison's 1987 Dega Catchfence has any 'nascar' gotten into any
catchfence? I'm still waiting for their replies

Other than GBod, i don't recall any! U? Maybe Neil Bonnett'93?
Spooky that Neil died at a '94 Daytona practice in a James Finch car

Ricky Craven '96 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJgVbZjK7Vw

#15

Thanx fer the video TS, but Craven'96 didn't get up into the Catchfence.
Some folks call the wall a fence, but i think they all know what a
'catchfence' is, fencing above any wall. It was interesting to hear
Ned Jarrett announcing that Craven got into the 'wheel' fence. Huh?

U got Geoffrey Bodeene's 2000 Daytona Truck footage up into the catchfence?
I just knew he was dead! Didn't everyone think that?
--
Crusader

"TS02_05champ" <tonystewart02_05champ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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Crusader wrote:
"SimRacer" <simracer68NO (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:12:27 -0700 (PDT), "!"
IllustriousPotentate (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
After watching Talladega the other day, would you take you and your
family to the race and sit in the first couple rows of seats? I wouldn't.
That's exactly the attitude that will self-police this problem. If
enough folks refuse to take those (crappy to begin with) first few
rows of seats, then the tracks will eventually eliminate them. That's
the logical fix to this problem - get rid of the rows as far back from
the front as debris flew to on Sunday, then take out an extra 10 or so
rows for good meaure.

The only ones that got hurt, besides Geoff hisself, when Goeffrey
Bodine knocked down the fence at Daytona a decade or so age, were in
the first few rows...Bodine survived (tho there is a Bondine bar built
into every NCWTS truck now to prevent tire-ride-over issues on side
impact collisions).

The only ones that got injured on Sunday, imagine that, were in the
first few rows. Notice a pattern?

The front rows at a NASCAR event, in direct contrast to stick and ball
sports, are often the cheapest seats in the house - you can't see much
of the track from them. Get rid of them - build higher up. Bristol has
proven that not only possible, but quite profitable as well.

The drivers suit up every week knowing that it may be their last race
- but we should give the fans more of a cushion of safety IMO. Without
screwing anymore with the cars or tracks...

Excellent POV Sim--self policing just like JBurton did with KyBusch on-track.

Kewl u mentioned Geoffrey Bodeene in CTS. I've been working up to a
fact-based response to 'The Alarmists of Dangerous Dega' & only misremembered
GBod's death-defying, catchfence flying performance by 5 years!
Caint believe the 1st Truck Race at Daytona was in 2000!!

I responded to a few regular N writers asking them: how many times
since Bobby Allison's 1987 Dega Catchfence has any 'nascar' gotten into any
catchfence? I'm still waiting for their replies

Other than GBod, i don't recall any! U? Maybe Neil Bonnett'93?
Spooky that Neil died at a '94 Daytona practice in a James Finch car

Ricky Craven '96 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJgVbZjK7Vw

#16

Crusader wrote:

Quote:

Thanx fer the video TS, but Craven'96 didn't get up into the Catchfence.
Some folks call the wall a fence, but i think they all know what a
'catchfence' is, fencing above any wall. It was interesting to hear
Ned Jarrett announcing that Craven got into the 'wheel' fence. Huh?

U got Geoffrey Bodeene's 2000 Daytona Truck footage up into the catchfence?
I just knew he was dead! Didn't everyone think that?

Yes, he did get into the catchfence, look more closely. I remember
watching that race and he definitely got into the catchfence....they
replayed it about a million times like they always do. Oh, and someone
let "shit" slip out when he went into the catchfence.

#17

Crusader wrote:

Quote:

Thanx fer the video TS, but Craven'96 didn't get up into the Catchfence.
Some folks call the wall a fence, but i think they all know what a
'catchfence' is, fencing above any wall. It was interesting to hear
Ned Jarrett announcing that Craven got into the 'wheel' fence. Huh?

Alright Cru, here you go. Make sure you look at the 3:58 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWWNcMWs2w

#18

"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

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"SimRacer" <simracer68NO (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:12:27 -0700 (PDT), "!"
IllustriousPotentate (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
After watching Talladega the other day, would you take you and your
family to the race and sit in the first couple rows of seats? I wouldn't.

That's exactly the attitude that will self-police this problem. If
enough folks refuse to take those (crappy to begin with) first few
rows of seats, then the tracks will eventually eliminate them. That's
the logical fix to this problem - get rid of the rows as far back from
the front as debris flew to on Sunday, then take out an extra 10 or so
rows for good meaure.

The only ones that got hurt, besides Geoff hisself, when Goeffrey
Bodine knocked down the fence at Daytona a decade or so age, were in
the first few rows...Bodine survived (tho there is a Bondine bar built
into every NCWTS truck now to prevent tire-ride-over issues on side
impact collisions).

The only ones that got injured on Sunday, imagine that, were in the
first few rows. Notice a pattern?

The front rows at a NASCAR event, in direct contrast to stick and ball
sports, are often the cheapest seats in the house - you can't see much
of the track from them. Get rid of them - build higher up. Bristol has
proven that not only possible, but quite profitable as well.

The drivers suit up every week knowing that it may be their last race
- but we should give the fans more of a cushion of safety IMO. Without
screwing anymore with the cars or tracks...

Excellent POV Sim--self policing just like JBurton did with KyBusch
on-track.

Kewl u mentioned Geoffrey Bodeene in CTS. I've been working up to a
fact-based response to 'The Alarmists of Dangerous Dega' & only
misremembered
GBod's death-defying, catchfence flying performance by 5 years!
Caint believe the 1st Truck Race at Daytona was in 2000!!

I responded to a few regular N writers asking them: how many times
since Bobby Allison's 1987 Dega Catchfence has any 'nascar' gotten into
any
catchfence? I'm still waiting for their replies

Other than GBod, i don't recall any! U? Maybe Neil Bonnett'93?
Spooky that Neil died at a '94 Daytona practice in a James Finch car

Another anti-alarmist pov could be: How many N drivers have suffered
injuries to prevent them from running the next race since the advent of
HANS & SAFER? NONE?
CRU

Franchitti missed a few races last year, with a broken ankle I think, after
being t-boned.

Not sure if that was in Cup or Nationwide...

Chad

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#19

"TS02_05champ" <tonystewart02_05champ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Crusader wrote:
Thanx fer the video TS, but Craven'96 didn't get up into the Catchfence.
Some folks call the wall a fence, but i think they all know what a
'catchfence' is, fencing above any wall. It was interesting to hear
Ned Jarrett announcing that Craven got into the 'wheel' fence. Huh?

Alright Cru, here you go. Make sure you look at the 3:58 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWWNcMWs2w

I stand corrected! Good video - shows damaged catchfence.
Craven's car looked worse than Carl's too, even tho it wasn't as
spectacular a crash.

So that's at least 3 up into catchfence since '87 DA.
Craven'96, GBod'00, & CE'09. Not many so far!
CRU

#20

Crusader wrote:

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Crusader wrote:
Thanx fer the video TS, but Craven'96 didn't get up into the Catchfence.
Some folks call the wall a fence, but i think they all know what a
'catchfence' is, fencing above any wall. It was interesting to hear
Ned Jarrett announcing that Craven got into the 'wheel' fence. Huh?
Alright Cru, here you go. Make sure you look at the 3:58 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWWNcMWs2w

I stand corrected! Good video - shows damaged catchfence.
Craven's car looked worse than Carl's too, even tho it wasn't as
spectacular a crash.

So that's at least 3 up into catchfence since '87 DA.
Craven'96, GBod'00, & CE'09. Not many so far!
CRU

Richard Petty's 88 Daytona crash went into the fence.