NASCAR will now penalize bump-drafting

#11

Jbob wrote:

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How will the
NASCAR spotters tell the difference with all the cars so close?

When the airbags go off, you can see it from the stands..

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#12

"Ron" <BigELilE05 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote

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That will certainly make it easier to fix the race for Junior

Care to explain your logic?

You don't actually believe that this rule will be enforced fairly, do you?

#13

"Jbob" <nobody (AT) SpamCox (DOT) net> wrote

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So no bump drafting huh? Let's see how this is gonna play out. You're
going around at Daytona with your foot to the floor. Your closest
competitor is right on your back bumper. You wonder just how you can help
with his finishing status? Simple!! LIFT. Next thing you know this guy
on
your rear bumper is now bump drafting you. Now he get's a penalty and
you're gonna be points ahead. How will the NASCAR spotters tell the
difference with all the cars so close?

Go back and read the press release again. It does not say no bump drafting.

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#14

"The Hammer" <HammerDrops (AT) bullshit (DOT) stops> wrote

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Jbob wrote:
How will the
NASCAR spotters tell the difference with all the cars so close?

When the airbags go off, you can see it from the stands..

Well... if the driver behind would simply watch for the brake lights...

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#15

"51_racing" <none (AT) nowhere (DOT) none> wrote

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Well, there you go with that common sense crap again Carey, see where
that'll get you! I actually only find myself watching nascar during my off
season and the occasional Sunday that not racing or working on the car.
Although, I am heading down for the 500 this year and looking forward to
it (probably more for the Florida weather as opposed to MN. winters).

Have a good time. It can get cold in Florida in February, though. Just not
Minnesota cold.

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Any luck finding a new team to work with?
I just got off the phone with the machine shop, waiting to get a few more
parts back before I put my motor together for this year. Our opener is now
about 6 weeks away and I'm falling behind, like usual.
Good luck on the upcoming season. This'll be my first full year with the
new modified and I'm getting pretty excited to get back in the seat again.

Good luck with the mod. I may crew on a "limited mod" (something they
created down here when the IMCA/UMP mods got too expensive, go figure) with
a multi time past champion in several divisions. It all depends on when he
gets the car ready. I will likely be crewing at the drag strip, too.

Carey in Manvel

#16

"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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This idea has a lot of support from the talking heads, no doubt. I can
remember the time when drivers didn't want a single dimple on their cars
at
aero/SS/plate races. Now, the cars damn near look like short track cars
when
they're done with a race at Daytona or Dega. Doughnuts on the side, pushed
in rear bumper covers, dinged front fascias EVEN WITH all the extra
support
being added to them. It's crazy, though expected. Long gone are the days
when cars were on different footing. They're so equal now, pushing their
way
forward is the only way they can move.

If they don't fix it, somehow (beyond some subjective rule), then I say go
back to the roof blades, taller spoilers, and wicker bills. The NBS seems
to
get by ok with that package. And drivers and commentators alike seem to
think it was a good package now that we're where we are today.

Or, they could take off the spoilers, go to stock bodies, skinny tires and

no restrictor plates.

Carey in Manvel

#17

Carey Akin wrote:

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The simpler solution would, of course, be to take away the strength from the
front bumper. Ideally, this should have been done before the beginning of
the season. It's not like this is a new problem.

Mikey suggested the same thing last season - he wanted to make the
front bumper crumple like tissue paper if you bumped the car in front
of you. Sounds like a good idea to me, too.

#18

Carey Akin wrote:

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Good luck with the mod. I may crew on a "limited mod" (something they
created down here when the IMCA/UMP mods got too expensive, go figure) with
a multi time past champion in several divisions. It all depends on when he
gets the car ready. I will likely be crewing at the drag strip, too.

Carey in Manvel

Would that be IMCA's new sport mod class? I did a little reading on that
class, not too far away from Wissota's midwest modified class, although
there's (IMCA) has some rear suspension rules that make a lot more
sense. Midwest mods were supposed to be a place where guys could still
race used modifieds, and cheap, 9.5:1 motors. Now it's turned into guys
buying brand new 4 link, 3 link, Z link, swing arm, etc. cars, and
sticking $4000 motors in, to win at max $300 a night. Anyways, IMCA is
probably going to have a great class there. If that's what you're
working on, feel free to shoot me an email if you ever have any
questions about them, suspension or otherwise.

#19

"51_racing" <none (AT) nowhere (DOT) none> wrote

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Would that be IMCA's new sport mod class? I did a little reading on that
class, not too far away from Wissota's midwest modified class, although
there's (IMCA) has some rear suspension rules that make a lot more sense.
Midwest mods were supposed to be a place where guys could still race used
modifieds, and cheap, 9.5:1 motors. Now it's turned into guys buying brand
new 4 link, 3 link, Z link, swing arm, etc. cars, and sticking $4000
motors in, to win at max $300 a night. Anyways, IMCA is probably going to
have a great class there. If that's what you're working on, feel free to
shoot me an email if you ever have any questions about them, suspension or
otherwise.

Probably not. Here are the rules for them down here:
http://www.simsmodifieds.com/Rules/limitedmodified.htm

The class actually originated at HRP. They built a two seat UMP "style"
modified for taking laps with fans, but didn't follow the UMP rules. A
friend of mine bought the first car (he was in late model for two of the
three years I crewed on it) and they created a class around it (single seat,
of course). Appearance wise, they look similar, but on close inspection,
they have stock front suspension.

I have always thought the class to be redundant. They look too much like
the UMP modifieds, and run at almost the same speed. They are a great
stepping stone, but from a fan stand point, each division racing should be
quite different from another (which is why I don't like tracks that run
bomber, hobby, street stock classes on the same night). That said, if David
gets his car ready, he has quite a reputation for winning, even when
starting from the back. It could be a VERY interesting season.

Carey in Manvel

#20

Carey Akin wrote:

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"51_racing" <none (AT) nowhere (DOT) none> wrote in message
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Would that be IMCA's new sport mod class? I did a little reading on that
class, not too far away from Wissota's midwest modified class, although
there's (IMCA) has some rear suspension rules that make a lot more sense.
Midwest mods were supposed to be a place where guys could still race used
modifieds, and cheap, 9.5:1 motors. Now it's turned into guys buying brand
new 4 link, 3 link, Z link, swing arm, etc. cars, and sticking $4000
motors in, to win at max $300 a night. Anyways, IMCA is probably going to
have a great class there. If that's what you're working on, feel free to
shoot me an email if you ever have any questions about them, suspension or
otherwise.

Probably not. Here are the rules for them down here:
http://www.simsmodifieds.com/Rules/limitedmodified.htm

The class actually originated at HRP. They built a two seat UMP "style"
modified for taking laps with fans, but didn't follow the UMP rules. A
friend of mine bought the first car (he was in late model for two of the
three years I crewed on it) and they created a class around it (single seat,
of course). Appearance wise, they look similar, but on close inspection,
they have stock front suspension.

I have always thought the class to be redundant. They look too much like
the UMP modifieds, and run at almost the same speed. They are a great
stepping stone, but from a fan stand point, each division racing should be
quite different from another (which is why I don't like tracks that run
bomber, hobby, street stock classes on the same night). That said, if David
gets his car ready, he has quite a reputation for winning, even when
starting from the back. It could be a VERY interesting season.

Carey in Manvel

Interesting rules. Especially in that they only allow the metrics as
frames, but you can run any motor in them. Sounds like you'd be able to
produce a decent amount of HP with the engine rules (I hate vacuum rules
though). How do those 7.5" rear ends hold up? Good to see they at least
require some sort of measure to keep the axles in them things. Since the
gearing in those is so limited, do most people run in 1st or 2nd gear
then? We can run any rear end in ours, mine has the typical ford 9" in
it, so I run a glide in high gear.
Other than that, the rules sound fairly simliar. If you need any help on
motor stuff shoot me an email. I'm pretty familiar with the listed Chevy
heads, also intakes etc. What are you running for a carb? I see it's
fairly open for you. I just sold my two racing quadrajets cause I have
to run the 4412, but if you are looking for one, I can point you in the
right direction to a guy that builds great ones.