Newman's Attitude

#21

On 2006-01-12 02:38:48 -0500, Paul <ME (AT) MYISP (DOT) COM> said:

Quote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:52:08 -0500, Julia <nospam (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:

Well even *I* can answer that one. Ryan is pooped out after qualification day.
:-)

LOL... well, he is really gonna suffer now that they are getting rid of
most of those impound races.

I think I have to agree with you. Sad too. After one season I am not a fan of
any one driver. There are a couple I like more that the others but not a fan.
Today however I watched an interview of Ryan and I am liking him more and more.
On a personal level I think he and I would fight like cats and dogs. But,
publicly I think he is pretty cool. I liked the way he handled
everyone teasing
him about gaining weight.

well, it's good to keep an open mind. No doubt, Ryan is one of the
smartest and most articulate drivers I have seen in a long time. I
have been a fan of Dodges (despite their problems) in general, but
Jamie McMurray specifically for the past few years. Aside being
impressed by what he could do behind the wheel, I teach autistic
children for a living, and Jamie is a spokesperson and raises money for
the Autistic Society of America so it's a good fit for me. But now
that he has switched from driving a Dodge into driving for Roush, my
allegiances are somewhat muddied. I'm gonna have to wait to the season
starts before I figure out where my heart lies.... I think it will be
one of those things that will become crystal clear for me the first
time Kahne, Mears and McMurray are driving door to door ~ but I'm
fairly sure that when push comes to shove my support will still go to
McMurray.

Quote:

Actually, I wonder if Ryan's car just doesn't play well in traffic. He does
great by himself. He shows he can handle a race car at very fast
speeds but the
car just doesn't seem to cooperate in traffic. Of course it could be that Ryan
is afraid when there are other cars around but I doubt that very much.

well, it isn't just Ryan's car that doesn't handle traffic well, it is
Dodges in general. They have issues with their aero package that they
haven't been able to get a handle on. They petitioned NASCAR for a new
nose during this off season and they were denied, so I don't espect
that things will be getting any better for them.

Just do not understand it! Chevy can have a different nose. Ford can have a
different nose. But not the Dodge? Heil NASCAR! NOT!

there is a long, somewhat nasty history between NASCAR and Dodge.
There are some who believe NASCAR wishes Dodge had never come back
after their long absence from the track. I think I'm beginning to
believe that's true.

--
...."I dreamed the devil and the Lord, they were dancing arm in arm"...
$1 to Dave from "JTR"

http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=3655

#22

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:14:29 -0500, Julia <nospam (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

On 2006-01-12 02:38:48 -0500, Paul <ME (AT) MYISP (DOT) COM> said:

I think I have to agree with you. Sad too. After one season I am not a fan of
any one driver. There are a couple I like more that the others but not a fan.
Today however I watched an interview of Ryan and I am liking him more and more.
On a personal level I think he and I would fight like cats and dogs. But,
publicly I think he is pretty cool. I liked the way he handled
everyone teasing him about gaining weight.

well, it's good to keep an open mind.

I think so Julia. I mean, they ALL go out there week after week to entertain me
and I appreciate that. I believe the guy that comes in last tried just as hard
to entertain me as the guy that came in first. That is why I wish the media
would give them a little more exposure than they do now.

Quote:

No doubt, Ryan is one of the
smartest and most articulate drivers I have seen in a long time.

I should hope so. Not easy to get a degree from Purdue. Plus he is a member of
the National Honor Society from high school. Plus he received an academic
scholarship. The boy is no dummy for sure.

Quote:

I have been a fan of Dodges (despite their problems) in general, but
Jamie McMurray specifically for the past few years.

Never liked Dodges. But, except for my maternal greanfather who was a Chrysler
man, my entire family owned Chevys. So I guess you could say I was
indoctrinated into the Chevy family.

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Aside being impressed by what he could do behind the wheel, I teach autistic
children for a living, and Jamie is a spokesperson and raises money for
the Autistic Society of America so it's a good fit for me.

That is another thing I like about these drivers. They all are heavily involved
in charities. And they seem to help each other charities. I remember a bunch
of them went to play golf for a charity. A bunch of them went with Stewart to
build that playground. All good people I suspect.

Quote:

But now that he has switched from driving a Dodge into driving for Roush, my
allegiances are somewhat muddied.

Why? Has he stopped helping autistic children also?

Quote:

I think it will be one of those things that will become crystal clear for me the first
time Kahne, Mears and McMurray are driving door to door...

Kahne, Mears and McMurry ------ hmmmmmm sounds like you just like the cute ones
Julia. :-)

Quote:

Just do not understand it! Chevy can have a different nose. Ford can have a
different nose. But not the Dodge? Heil NASCAR! NOT!

there is a long, somewhat nasty history between NASCAR and Dodge.
There are some who believe NASCAR wishes Dodge had never come back
after their long absence from the track. I think I'm beginning to
believe that's true.

Some time ago I came to the conclusion that NASCAR doesn't like any thing or
anyone who doesn't jump when NASCAR says jump.

It boggles my mind that a driver should need NASCAR's permission to skip the
banquet so he can participate in another race. He doesn't work for NASCAR. They
only sanction a race.
--
Paul of El Cajon

#23

On 2006-01-12 11:51:55 -0500, Paul <ME (AT) MYISP (DOT) COM> said:

Quote:

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:14:29 -0500, Julia <nospam (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:

On 2006-01-12 02:38:48 -0500, Paul <ME (AT) MYISP (DOT) COM> said:

I think I have to agree with you. Sad too. After one season I am not a fan of
any one driver. There are a couple I like more that the others but not a fan.
Today however I watched an interview of Ryan and I am liking him more and more.
On a personal level I think he and I would fight like cats and dogs. But,
publicly I think he is pretty cool. I liked the way he handled
everyone teasing him about gaining weight.

well, it's good to keep an open mind.

I think so Julia. I mean, they ALL go out there week after week to
entertain me
and I appreciate that. I believe the guy that comes in last tried just as hard
to entertain me as the guy that came in first. That is why I wish the media
would give them a little more exposure than they do now.

well, unfortuately thats the way that it works, and not just in NASCAR
but in every sport (and in every facet of life as well). The cream
rises to the top ~ and the media will always focus on what's on the
top. Looking beneath the surface is more work than it's worth (for
them).

Quote:

No doubt, Ryan is one of the smartest and most articulate drivers I
have seen in a long time.

I should hope so. Not easy to get a degree from Purdue. Plus he is a member of
the National Honor Society from high school. Plus he received an academic
scholarship. The boy is no dummy for sure.

yep..... as soon as I heard he had done the whole Purdue Engineering
thing I knew how intelligent he must be. My brother graduated from
that program as well and I have never seen anyone work as hard as he
and his roommates did when I went out to visit him.

Quote:

I have been a fan of Dodges (despite their problems) in general, but
Jamie McMurray specifically for the past few years.

Never liked Dodges. But, except for my maternal greanfather who was a Chrysler
man, my entire family owned Chevys. So I guess you could say I was
indoctrinated into the Chevy family.

well, I'm a Jeep chick.... and have been since I could drive. Since
they are now a part of Chrysler, that makes Dodge the closest brand I
could choose. But I don't know how much longer brand loyalty is gonna
last with this COT thing.

Quote:

Aside being impressed by what he could do behind the wheel, I teach
autistic children for a living, and Jamie is a spokesperson and raises
money for the Autistic Society of America so it's a good fit for me.

That is another thing I like about these drivers. They all are heavily
involved
in charities. And they seem to help each other charities. I remember a bunch
of them went to play golf for a charity. A bunch of them went with Stewart to
build that playground. All good people I suspect.

It does seem that way, but it also could be because their PR people
want them to look that way..... not that I want to sound cynical or
anything...

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But now that he has switched from driving a Dodge into driving for
Roush, my allegiances are somewhat muddied.

Why? Has he stopped helping autistic children also?

I'm not sure. I hope that he hasn't, and I don't think that he would
want to give up the program (he feels close to the cause because he
niece is autistic) but he participated in the program with the support
of his sponsors (Havoline and Home 123). Those sponsors are a part of
his old team, so the program may not be carried over with his new team
and sponsors. If the program stays with the 42 car, then I may start
following Casey Mears more closely. If the program stays with Jamie
and his new sponsors on the 26 car, then I will stick with Jamie. But
once you have a driver in your heart and soul, it's hard to abandon
them ~ for any reason.

Quote:

I think it will be one of those things that will become crystal clear
for me the first time Kahne, Mears and McMurray are driving door to
door...

Kahne, Mears and McMurry ------ hmmmmmm sounds like you just like the cute ones
Julia. :-)

LOL... yep, they are hawties, but honestly that doesn't have anything
to do with it.... I've already explained the Mears/McMurray thing, but
Kahne I liked (sorta) since he started driving 'cause he took over the
car from Bill Elliott (who I loved, even named my cat after him). I
actually had the opportunity to spend the weekend in the luxury booth
of his sponsor in NH last August. It was an incredible experience....
he ate breakfast with us on Saturday, and won me over completely. If
we were gonna go on looks alone, I would have to add Kevin Harvick and
the Labonte brothers to the list. Oh, and add Sterling Marlin to my
list ~ not of hawties, but of drivers I follow.... he just cracks me
up.... so that makes one in a Ford, one in a Chevy and a few in
Dodges....

Quote:

Just do not understand it! Chevy can have a different nose. Ford can have a
different nose. But not the Dodge? Heil NASCAR! NOT!

there is a long, somewhat nasty history between NASCAR and Dodge.
There are some who believe NASCAR wishes Dodge had never come back
after their long absence from the track. I think I'm beginning to
believe that's true.

Some time ago I came to the conclusion that NASCAR doesn't like any thing or
anyone who doesn't jump when NASCAR says jump.

see, you're getting the hang of this NASCAR thingie real quick.

Quote:

It boggles my mind that a driver should need NASCAR's permission to skip the
banquet so he can participate in another race. He doesn't work for
NASCAR. They
only sanction a race.

good point.

--
...."I dreamed the devil and the Lord, they were dancing arm in arm"...
$1 to Dave from "JTR"

http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=3655

#24

"Julia" <nospam (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

well, I'm a Jeep chick.... and have been since I could drive. Since they
are now a part of Chrysler, that makes Dodge the closest brand I could
choose. But I don't know how much longer brand loyalty is gonna last with
this COT thing.

From Jayski:

NASCAR's proposed "car of the future" appears to be dead in the water for
the moment. Detroit car makers are putting on hold their own operations for
the time being, saying that NASCAR executives aren't offering any clear
directions on body configurations or timetables. NASCAR has planned an
exhibition [at Daytona] today of its own in-house built version of the car,
which was originally set to debut this fall at Talladega. But it appears no
other stock-car teams will be participating. Another test of the car of the
future in its quite different downforce configuration is expected in the
next few days at Homestead, although it's still unclear how many, if any,
NASCAR teams will participate.

#25

"Julia" <nospam (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

On 2006-01-12 02:38:48 -0500, Paul <ME (AT) MYISP (DOT) COM> said:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:52:08 -0500, Julia <nospam (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:
Today however I watched an interview of Ryan and I am liking him more and more.

well, it's good to keep an open mind. No doubt, Ryan is one of the
smartest and most articulate drivers I have seen in a long time. I
have been a fan of Dodges (despite their problems) in general, but
Jamie McMurray specifically for the past few years. Aside being
impressed by what he could do behind the wheel, I teach autistic
children for a living, and Jamie is a spokesperson and raises money for
the Autistic Society of America so it's a good fit for me. But now
that he has switched from driving a Dodge into driving for Roush, my
allegiances are somewhat muddied. I'm gonna have to wait to the season
starts before I figure out where my heart lies.... I think it will be
one of those things that will become crystal clear for me the first
time Kahne, Mears and McMurray are driving door to door ~ but I'm
fairly sure that when push comes to shove my support will still go to
McMurray.

Of course it could be that Ryan is afraid
when there are other cars around but I doubt that very much.

well, it isn't just Ryan's car that doesn't handle traffic well, it is
Dodges in general. They have issues with their aero package that they
haven't been able to get a handle on. They petitioned NASCAR for a new
nose during this off season and they were denied, so I don't espect
that things will be getting any better for them. [CRU: JG & DEJ handle?]

Just do not understand it! Chevy can have a different nose. Ford can have a
different nose. But not the Dodge? Heil NASCAR! NOT!

there is a long, somewhat nasty history between NASCAR and Dodge.
There are some who believe NASCAR wishes Dodge had never come back
after their long absence from the track. I think I'm beginning to
believe that's true.

Richard, Richard Petty izzat u? Why would u think NA$CAr would have
anything against Dodge? Just because u stunk up the show for so long?
BTW, when Dodge reentered in '01, they got a nose job for Indy &
immediately got a 2nd and 4 Wins.

Ryan Newman--Led Cup with 8 Wins in '03, then Dodge changed to
a trash-collecting nose piece. Marlin would have won '02 Champ
if not for a broken neck! Good fortune for Jamie Mac tho in his 2nd start.
IMHO, Jamie Mac can go either way at anytime, especially in '06

I'm not sure a new Ford will help, but a Roush Ford vs a Ganassi Anything
is probably a step up. Ryan & Kurt will get along just fine, as long as
The Racin' Media doesn't try to stir up controversy between them.
CRU

Quote:

--
..."I dreamed the devil and the Lord, they were dancing arm in arm"...
$1 to Dave from "JTR"

http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=3655

#26

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:30:10 -0500, "armpit" <udontneedit (AT) myemail (DOT) addy> wrote:

Quote:

NASCAR's proposed "car of the future" appears to be dead in the water for
the moment. Detroit car makers are putting on hold their own operations for
the time being, saying that NASCAR executives aren't offering any clear
directions on body configurations or timetables. NASCAR has planned an
exhibition [at Daytona] today of its own in-house built version of the car,
which was originally set to debut this fall at Talladega. But it appears no
other stock-car teams will be participating. Another test of the car of the
future in its quite different downforce configuration is expected in the
next few days at Homestead, although it's still unclear how many, if any,
NASCAR teams will participate.

Doesn't sound like there is much interest in this Car of the Future now does
there? Wonder if it could be because it is ugly. [my opinion]
--
Paul of El Cajon

#27

"Paul" <ME (AT) MYISP (DOT) COM> wrote

Quote:

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:30:10 -0500, "armpit" <udontneedit (AT) myemail (DOT) addy
wrote:

NASCAR's proposed "car of the future" appears to be dead in the water for
the moment. Detroit car makers are putting on hold their own operations
for
the time being, saying that NASCAR executives aren't offering any clear
directions on body configurations or timetables. NASCAR has planned an
exhibition [at Daytona] today of its own in-house built version of the
car,
which was originally set to debut this fall at Talladega. But it appears
no
other stock-car teams will be participating. Another test of the car of
the
future in its quite different downforce configuration is expected in the
next few days at Homestead, although it's still unclear how many, if any,
NASCAR teams will participate.

Doesn't sound like there is much interest in this Car of the Future now
does
there? Wonder if it could be because it is ugly. [my opinion]
--
Paul of El Cajon

Your opinion just so happens to coincide with absolute fact. The COT *IS*
freakin' ugly.

#28

On 2006-01-12 17:19:10 -0500, "Crusader" <cru32 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> said:

Quote:

"Julia" <nospam (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:2006011210142916807-nospam (AT) homecom (DOT) ..
On 2006-01-12 02:38:48 -0500, Paul <ME (AT) MYISP (DOT) COM> said:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:52:08 -0500, Julia <nospam (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:
Today however I watched an interview of Ryan and I am liking him more and more.

well, it's good to keep an open mind. No doubt, Ryan is one of the
smartest and most articulate drivers I have seen in a long time. I
have been a fan of Dodges (despite their problems) in general, but
Jamie McMurray specifically for the past few years. Aside being
impressed by what he could do behind the wheel, I teach autistic
children for a living, and Jamie is a spokesperson and raises money for
the Autistic Society of America so it's a good fit for me. But now
that he has switched from driving a Dodge into driving for Roush, my
allegiances are somewhat muddied. I'm gonna have to wait to the season
starts before I figure out where my heart lies.... I think it will be
one of those things that will become crystal clear for me the first
time Kahne, Mears and McMurray are driving door to door ~ but I'm
fairly sure that when push comes to shove my support will still go to
McMurray.

Of course it could be that Ryan is afraid
when there are other cars around but I doubt that very much.

well, it isn't just Ryan's car that doesn't handle traffic well, it is
Dodges in general. They have issues with their aero package that they
haven't been able to get a handle on. They petitioned NASCAR for a new
nose during this off season and they were denied, so I don't espect
that things will be getting any better for them. [CRU: JG & DEJ handle?]

Just do not understand it! Chevy can have a different nose. Ford can have a
different nose. But not the Dodge? Heil NASCAR! NOT!

there is a long, somewhat nasty history between NASCAR and Dodge.
There are some who believe NASCAR wishes Dodge had never come back
after their long absence from the track. I think I'm beginning to
believe that's true.

Richard, Richard Petty izzat u? Why would u think NA$CAr would have
anything against Dodge? Just because u stunk up the show for so long?
BTW, when Dodge reentered in '01, they got a nose job for Indy &
immediately got a 2nd and 4 Wins.

one concession in the five years since they have returned. You know
damn well that both Ford and Chevy have received more than that. Even
this past winter when they asked for approval for a new nose they got
turned down ~ despite all the obvious problems they had with them last
year.

Quote:

Ryan Newman--Led Cup with 8 Wins in '03, then Dodge changed to
a trash-collecting nose piece.

oh, did they run crappy in "04 in anticipation of the trash collecting
nose piece in '05??.... and on that subject, why won't NASCAR allow
them to change that nose piece this year??

Quote:

Marlin would have won '02 Champ
if not for a broken neck! Good fortune for Jamie Mac tho in his 2nd start.

Clearly Marlin's '02 run and Newman's '03 run are the exception to the
rule. Dodge's stats in the years since they have returned have fallen
fall short of Ford and Chevys. You are the stat man, you know that.
The issue has to do with the balance and aero package, Marlin and
Newman were able to find a setup that worked at a number of tracks for
a relatively short period of time.

Quote:

IMHO, Jamie Mac can go either way at anytime, especially in '06

dewd.... we're not goin' here again.... Jamie digs chicks, that is a fact...

Quote:

I'm not sure a new Ford will help, but a Roush Ford vs a Ganassi Anything
is probably a step up.

LOL... ya think?!?!...

Quote:

Ryan & Kurt will get along just fine, as long as
The Racin' Media doesn't try to stir up controversy between them.
CRU

nah, they won't.... and it's gonna be fun, fun, fun...

--
...."from the dark side, we can see the glow of something bright ~
there's much more than we see here".... $1 to Dave from "Pig"

http://www.nancies.org/music/lyrics/pig/

#29

"Julia" <nospam (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

On 2006-01-12 17:19:10 -0500, "Crusader" <cru32 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> said:
"Julia" <nospam (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:2006011210142916807-nospam (AT) homecom (DOT) ..
On 2006-01-12 02:38:48 -0500, Paul <ME (AT) MYISP (DOT) COM> said:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:52:08 -0500, Julia <nospam (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:
Today however I watched an interview of Ryan and I am liking him more and more.

well, it's good to keep an open mind. No doubt, Ryan is one of the
smartest and most articulate drivers I have seen in a long time.
there is a long, somewhat nasty history between NASCAR and Dodge.

Richard, Richard Petty izzat u? Why would u think NA$CAr would have
anything against Dodge? Just because u stunk up the show for so long?
BTW, when Dodge reentered in '01, they got a nose job for Indy &
immediately got a 2nd and 4 Wins.

Ryan Newman--Led Cup with 8 Wins in '03, then Dodge changed to
a trash-collecting nose piece.
Marlin would have won '02 Champ if not for a broken neck!
Good fortune for Jamie Mac tho in his 2nd start.

Clearly Marlin's '02 run and Newman's '03 run are the exception to the rule.
Dodge's stats in the years since they have returned have fallen
fall short of Ford and Chevys. You are the stat man, you know that.
The issue has to do with the balance and aero package, Marlin and
Newman were able to find a setup that worked at a number of tracks for
a relatively short period of time.

Aha! 2 dominators outta 5 seasons ain't bad, especially considering
NA$CAr bent over backwards in '01. RASNers have argued the points of
is it the car(model) or is it the driver? IMHO, in Dodge's case,
it is both--They don't have as good of drivers as Chevy & Ford,
& Dodge doesn't know what it takes to get NA$CAr to allow them to
be competitive. Historically, '06 should be The Year of The Dodge,
since Ford Fusion is the new model, & Chevy is somewhat new also.
Dodge is established and won't have new parameters to perfect.

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IMHO, Jamie Mac can go either way at anytime, especially in '06

dewd, we're not goin' here again.... Jamie digs chicks, that is a fact

Oh u caught that, didja? I read where Rock Hudson's 'wife' died recently.

Quote:

Ryan & Kurt will get along just fine, as long as
The Racin' Media doesn't try to stir up controversy between them.
CRU

nah, they won't.... and it's gonna be fun, fun, fun...

Who's they? And Fun just like it is every day here in RASN, eh?
CRU

Quote:

..."from the dark side, we can see the glow of something bright ~
there's much more than we see here".... $1 to Dave from "Pig"

http://www.nancies.org/music/lyrics/pig/