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Default Re: Re:Ol' Jeffer - 12-20-2005 , 04:30 PM







"Nancy1" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote

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I think you will find that there are going to be more problems for him
in the upcoming season. Yeah he will win his share of races, but in
the Hendrick barn the younger guys seem to be doing much much bettter
then the older (veterans) drivers. Kinda like it was in Gibbs when
Labonte was on top and they brought in Tony..and look how that turned
out. jeff is a great driver, but I think his time as a Champion is
pat, he will continue to be a factor in NASCAR but to to the extent
that he was a few years ago.

Tony is 2 months older than Jeff.
How can he be called a young gun?

I think that "young gun" thing started (at least in my time with Nascar
fandom) as a Gillette (razor) sponsored commercial thing, and it stuck.
It could have been around for decades, though - "young gun" is a kind
of autonomous term used by lots of areas of business enterprise.

N.

"Young guns" are any drivers younger than Dale Jarrett, Ricky Rudd, Dale
Senior (had he lived) Rusty Wallace, Ken Shrader, Kyle Petty, etc. I think
in loose general terms, young guns represent "the next generation" of
driver, regardless of their age. Presently, the "young guns" group IMO
represents everyone from the just-legal 18 y/os (if there are really any
that young out there) to Jeff Gordon/Tony Stewart and the rest of the "30
somethings" that followed Jeff into the sport in the 1990s. I'd go so far to
say that anyone that comes in between 18-39 could be considered one,
depending on their performance and racing history. (Greg Biffle came in
"kind of late" in age but is still a young gun IMO)

Also, and unfortunately, the young guns are usually the group hardest hit by
tradegy the past few decades: Clifford & Davey Allison, Rodney Orr, Kenny
Irwin, Adam Petty, Rob Moroso, Blaise Alexander, Tony Roper, John Nemechek,
et al all died in NASCAR/ARCA competition (except for Moroso, who wrecked
his Corvette while DUI, killing himself and his girlfriend), and were under
40 (IIRC), just to name a few.




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Default Re: Re:Ol' Jeffer - 12-21-2005 , 09:49 AM







"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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I think that "young gun" thing started (at least in my time with Nascar
fandom) as a Gillette (razor) sponsored commercial thing, and it stuck.
It could have been around for decades, though - "young gun" is a kind
of autonomous term used by lots of areas of business enterprise.

N.

Actually - the Glillette commercial came about *from* the use of the term
"Young Guns" that the networks had recently started at the time.

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"Young guns" are any drivers younger than Dale Jarrett, Ricky Rudd, Dale
Senior (had he lived) Rusty Wallace, Ken Shrader, Kyle Petty, etc. I think
in loose general terms, young guns represent "the next generation" of
driver, regardless of their age. Presently, the "young guns" group IMO
represents everyone from the just-legal 18 y/os (if there are really any
that young out there) to Jeff Gordon/Tony Stewart and the rest of the "30
somethings" that followed Jeff into the sport in the 1990s. I'd go so far
to
say that anyone that comes in between 18-39 could be considered one,
depending on their performance and racing history. (Greg Biffle came in
"kind of late" in age but is still a young gun IMO)
Close, but as the networks began using the term (and that's where the term
as it used popularly today originated) it referenced the likes of Harvick,
Newman, and drivers who came in around the same time or later. Gordon has
certainly never been in that group - neither one of them.

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