park Robbie Gordon

#11

On Aug 4, 8:53 pm, Alan Jones <ajo... (AT) sportswriterusa (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

If I may offer a tiebreaker, the camera shot jumped over to catch RG
just completing the pass "12" seconds after the wreck was in
progress. In the very first frame of that shot, RG had not yet
cleared the #59; still had all of his left quarterpanel to go.
Marcus' nose was up to RG's rear axle.

At 9 seconds into the wreck, the TV broadcast indicated NASCAR threw
the caution. Seems like there would be at least a 2 second delay in
relaying that info onto the screen.

Perhaps NASCAR did make the right call. Is it possible for Robby
Gordon to be impatient, too aggressive, on a road course and not
realize the caution came out?

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:17:24 -0500, ZÿRiX <c... (AT) net (DOT) org> wrote:
Watched them all on the DVR caution came out after the pass...

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"TSMC" <noemailh... (AT) tsmc (DOT) net> wrote in message
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If you watch the replay of the 1st incedent, you will see Robby clearly
behind Marcus (albeit running into the back of him!) and the network feed
is showing a caution light.. Does the network or NASCAR put out the
cautions?

"ZÿRiX" <c... (AT) net (DOT) org> wrote in message
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The replay showed the pass and the caution flag after the camera switch
he was in the lead when caution came out...
He made the pass within 2 1/2 seconds after the crash NASCAR did not have
time to call a yellow in 2 1/2 seconds...
Go back and watch your replays I did on my DVR it is the 3rd replay of
this crash...

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"Joe" <retrie... (AT) black (DOT) lab> wrote in message
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None of us actually saw where the caution came out and who was
actually in front. I expect they don't have any film on that. We have
scorers (nascar officials on the track) and the scoring monitors
spaced all over the track. The fact that on that one replay showed he
was leading when the caution flag was waving at that time doesn't
prove he was leading when the caution came out.

the caution came out before he was leading, which expains why he
didn't get back the lead on the restart, but what i don't get is how
come he was ordered to 17th or 18th. the caution was out when he was
in second, and it definately was out before he got spun around. i
can't believe im actually sticking up for gordon here....but i'm
definately not sticking up for the fact the he punted ambrose around
on the restart, that's just stupid,

#12

I think he had to go to the end of the lead lap for passing under
caution. That's the explanation I read on the boards.

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:09:33 -0000, Fish <davester_349 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

the caution came out before he was leading, which expains why he
didn't get back the lead on the restart, but what i don't get is how
come he was ordered to 17th or 18th. the caution was out when he was
in second, and it definately was out before he got spun around. i
can't believe im actually sticking up for gordon here....but i'm
definately not sticking up for the fact the he punted ambrose around
on the restart, that's just stupid,

#13

Here is a link to Jayski with the explanations.

http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#news8

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:19:38 -0400, Joe <retriever (AT) black (DOT) lab> wrote:

Quote:

They should park Robbie Gordon for 10 races!

What a clown.

#14

"Alan Jones" <ajones (AT) sportswriterusa (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

If I may offer a tiebreaker, the camera shot jumped over to catch RG
just completing the pass "12" seconds after the wreck was in
progress. In the very first frame of that shot, RG had not yet
cleared the #59; still had all of his left quarterpanel to go.
Marcus' nose was up to RG's rear axle.

At 9 seconds into the wreck, the TV broadcast indicated NASCAR threw
the caution. Seems like there would be at least a 2 second delay in
relaying that info onto the screen.

Which puts Robbie in the lead. At the point of the caution (or the last
scoring loop prior to the caution), the lead is determined by the nose of
the car, not the rear quarter panel.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

#15

"Joe" <retriever (AT) black (DOT) lab> wrote

Quote:

Here is a link to Jayski with the explanations.

http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#news8

Really weak in the explanation department though. Nothing more than just
NASCAR statements. Of course, that's all NASCAR has to make...

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

#16

On Aug 4, 7:41 pm, Joe <retrie... (AT) black (DOT) lab> wrote:

Quote:

None of us actually saw where the caution came out and who was
actually in front.

IF you had actually watched the race, you would have CLEARLY seen the
YELLOW flag that was waving when Ambrose spun Robbie.

Robbie won, and NASCRAP fucked him, plain and simple.

#17

My conclusion is/was the caution was out before RG was in front;
probably before RG even attempted the pass.

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 13:17:07 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

"Alan Jones" <ajones (AT) sportswriterusa (DOT) com> wrote in message
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If I may offer a tiebreaker, the camera shot jumped over to catch RG
just completing the pass "12" seconds after the wreck was in
progress. In the very first frame of that shot, RG had not yet
cleared the #59; still had all of his left quarterpanel to go.
Marcus' nose was up to RG's rear axle.

At 9 seconds into the wreck, the TV broadcast indicated NASCAR threw
the caution. Seems like there would be at least a 2 second delay in
relaying that info onto the screen.

Which puts Robbie in the lead. At the point of the caution (or the last
scoring loop prior to the caution), the lead is determined by the nose of
the car, not the rear quarter panel.

#18

On Aug 5, 4:47 pm, Alan Jones <ajo... (AT) sportswriterusa (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

My conclusion is/was the caution was out before RG was in front;
probably before RG even attempted the pass.

Your conclusion is wrong, much like everything else you "conclude".

#19

Whatever. If that's the case, why did Ambrose blast Gordon long after
the yellow?

Alan Jones wrote:

Quote:

If I may offer a tiebreaker, the camera shot jumped over to catch RG
just completing the pass "12" seconds after the wreck was in
progress. In the very first frame of that shot, RG had not yet
cleared the #59; still had all of his left quarterpanel to go.
Marcus' nose was up to RG's rear axle.

At 9 seconds into the wreck, the TV broadcast indicated NASCAR threw
the caution. Seems like there would be at least a 2 second delay in
relaying that info onto the screen.

Perhaps NASCAR did make the right call. Is it possible for Robby
Gordon to be impatient, too aggressive, on a road course and not
realize the caution came out?

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:17:24 -0500, ZÿRiX <com (AT) net (DOT) org> wrote:

Watched them all on the DVR caution came out after the pass...

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ZÿRiX
(¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯)

"TSMC" <noemailhere (AT) tsmc (DOT) net> wrote in message
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If you watch the replay of the 1st incedent, you will see Robby clearly
behind Marcus (albeit running into the back of him!) and the network feed
is showing a caution light.. Does the network or NASCAR put out the
cautions?

"ZÿRiX" <com (AT) net (DOT) org> wrote in message
news:13ba43l1smgpb25 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...
The replay showed the pass and the caution flag after the camera switch
he was in the lead when caution came out...
He made the pass within 2 1/2 seconds after the crash NASCAR did not have
time to call a yellow in 2 1/2 seconds...
Go back and watch your replays I did on my DVR it is the 3rd replay of
this crash...

--
ZÿRiX
(¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯)

"Joe" <retriever (AT) black (DOT) lab> wrote in message
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None of us actually saw where the caution came out and who was
actually in front. I expect they don't have any film on that. We have
scorers (nascar officials on the track) and the scoring monitors
spaced all over the track. The fact that on that one replay showed he
was leading when the caution flag was waving at that time doesn't
prove he was leading when the caution came out.

#20

On Aug 5, 12:17 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM... (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

"Alan Jones" <ajo... (AT) sportswriterusa (DOT) com> wrote in message

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If I may offer a tiebreaker, the camera shot jumped over to catch RG
just completing the pass "12" seconds after the wreck was in
progress. In the very first frame of that shot, RG had not yet
cleared the #59; still had all of his left quarterpanel to go.
Marcus' nose was up to RG's rear axle.

At 9 seconds into the wreck, the TV broadcast indicated NASCAR threw
the caution. Seems like there would be at least a 2 second delay in
relaying that info onto the screen.

Which puts Robbie in the lead. At the point of the caution (or the last
scoring loop prior to the caution), the lead is determined by the nose of
the car, not the rear quarter panel.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREM... (AT) alltel (DOT) net

Whether it was first or second really doesn't matter. He didn't
deserve 13th.