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Port Ownership Poll -
02-22-2006
, 08:12 PM
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Tell us what you think about goverment's outsourcing of US Port Ownership To U.A.E firm? Vote here http://nilehomeshiners.blogspot.com// |
Apparently you are just a dumb ass, U.S. port management has been handled by
multinational corporations for years. You are probably stupid enough to
actually believe that NASCAR cup cars are actually built by the manufacturer
with the logo on the front? I'll also bet you believe we (the U.S.) will 'win'
the war in Iraq! I know you do, just listen to your president.
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Tell us what you think about goverment's outsourcing of US Port Ownership To U.A.E firm? Vote here http://nilehomeshiners.blogspot.com// Ports are owned by the local port authorities. Different companies manage |
Coast Guard, Customs and the Port Authority. I am not sure what you are
talking about. There will be no outsourcing. The Longshoremen's union will
still have the jobs. Go write a post about something you may actually know
something about. At the ports on question, there is no "control" being
given away. This is just the operating contract for specific terminals and
berths.
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"Global Pollster" <customersvc (AT) thenilegroup (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1140657174.560673.146520 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Tell us what you think about goverment's outsourcing of US Port Ownership To U.A.E firm? Vote here http://nilehomeshiners.blogspot.com// Ports are owned by the local port authorities. Different companies manage different terminals to load and unload ships. Security is handled by the Coast Guard, Customs and the Port Authority. I am not sure what you are talking about. There will be no outsourcing. The Longshoremen's union will still have the jobs. Go write a post about something you may actually know something about. At the ports on question, there is no "control" being given away. This is just the operating contract for specific terminals and berths. |
since she like the rest of America, is only hearing the slant being put out
by the media. Though I admit I mistakenly told her that the security of our
ports was in the hands of the Coast Guard, Customs and Homeland Security (by
assuming that port authorities were in some way now connected to Homeland
Security) and that this deal being blown out of proportion was more about
the "port business" moreso than its security. So I was close in my thinking,
close enough for government work anyway. :-)
Honestly, I worry more about terrorists being able to exploit our border
with Mexico than I do the UAE taking over some port contracts. I boat and
fish around several ports (Wilmington/Southport and Morehead City, NC) and
can say I am confident in their security efforts with no regard to who runs
the business side. BUT, this is the age of hatred-politics so every little
thing will make the news in an effort to discredit someone or another.
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"Carey Akin" <cmakin (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote in message news:mSiLf.330$Zw.8 (AT) bgtnsc04-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net... "Global Pollster" <customersvc (AT) thenilegroup (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1140657174.560673.146520 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Tell us what you think about goverment's outsourcing of US Port Ownership To U.A.E firm? Vote here http://nilehomeshiners.blogspot.com// Ports are owned by the local port authorities. Different companies manage different terminals to load and unload ships. Security is handled by the Coast Guard, Customs and the Port Authority. I am not sure what you are talking about. There will be no outsourcing. The Longshoremen's union will still have the jobs. Go write a post about something you may actually know something about. At the ports on question, there is no "control" being given away. This is just the operating contract for specific terminals and berths. Thank you Carey! I tried explaining this very thing to my wife last night, since she like the rest of America, is only hearing the slant being put out by the media. Though I admit I mistakenly told her that the security of our ports was in the hands of the Coast Guard, Customs and Homeland Security (by assuming that port authorities were in some way now connected to Homeland Security) and that this deal being blown out of proportion was more about the "port business" moreso than its security. So I was close in my thinking, close enough for government work anyway. :-) Honestly, I worry more about terrorists being able to exploit our border with Mexico than I do the UAE taking over some port contracts. I boat and fish around several ports (Wilmington/Southport and Morehead City, NC) and can say I am confident in their security efforts with no regard to who runs the business side. BUT, this is the age of hatred-politics so every little thing will make the news in an effort to discredit someone or another. |
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5228775
The whole uproar has nothing to do with reality, it's all about political
posturing.
Bud
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| Thank you Carey! I tried explaining this very thing to my wife last night, since she like the rest of America, is only hearing the slant being put out by the media. Though I admit I mistakenly told her that the security of our ports was in the hands of the Coast Guard, Customs and Homeland Security (by assuming that port authorities were in some way now connected to Homeland Security) and that this deal being blown out of proportion was more about the "port business" moreso than its security. So I was close in my thinking, close enough for government work anyway. :-) Honestly, I worry more about terrorists being able to exploit our border with Mexico than I do the UAE taking over some port contracts. I boat and fish around several ports (Wilmington/Southport and Morehead City, NC) and can say I am confident in their security efforts with no regard to who runs the business side. BUT, this is the age of hatred-politics so every little thing will make the news in an effort to discredit someone or another. I don't normally comment on political posts, especially during racing |
an ignorant press being lazy and not doing their research (I will leave out
any political motive). To see it characterized as a "takeover" of port
operations is ignorant at best and incendiary at worst.
Having worked in this business in one way or another for most of my life
(and all of my adult life) it just galls me to see "experts" misrepresenting
reality and distorting facts. For whatever reason, our nation has decided
not to be a maritime power. Now, when foreign companies operate terminals
(makes sense since they also operate the ships), it gets misreported and the
average folk, not knowing any better, gets concerned.
Just imagine the outrage when folks find out that many of the ships that
carry our cargo are owned and operated by communist countries (true).
Oh, well, back to racing.
Carey in Manvel
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For whatever reason, our nation has decided not to be a maritime power. |
John
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"Carey Akin" <cmakin (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote in The Civil War, mostly. Post dates that by quite a bit. It was pretty vibrant through the |
On to racing.
Carey in Manvel
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"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote in message news:Xns9773C7EBE8895pogosupernews (AT) 216 (DOT) 168.3.30... "Carey Akin" <cmakin (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote in The Civil War, mostly. Post dates that by quite a bit. It was pretty vibrant through the seventies, then died off. I know, I made my living in it for awhile. |
had a major technilogical advance with the clipper ship, and took
over a substantial percentage of the worlds trade (in dollar value,
not tonnage). A half-dozen Confederate commerce raiders led to
almost all American shipping being sold to British & European
owners, and following the war US capital was entirely directed
into railroads. Ever since the Civil War the US has had a
negligible role in world shipping - even in the "vibrant"
periods, the US fleet was far smaller than that of the UK,
USSR, or Japan, not to mention the flags of convenience.
Granted, opportunities in the merchant marine have declined
a great deal in recent years (really since the end of the
first Gulf war, when the military let all ships in Diego
Garcia go off-charter), but the US was far from being a
maritime power before that.
John
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No, not if you really look at it. In the late 1840's Americans had a major technilogical advance with the clipper ship, and took over a substantial percentage of the worlds trade (in dollar value, not tonnage). A half-dozen Confederate commerce raiders led to almost all American shipping being sold to British & European owners, and following the war US capital was entirely directed into railroads. Ever since the Civil War the US has had a negligible role in world shipping - even in the "vibrant" periods, the US fleet was far smaller than that of the UK, USSR, or Japan, not to mention the flags of convenience. |
century. But you seem to ignore the impact of WWII on the US fleet.
Although, after the war, the excess Liberty and Victory ships sold to the
Greeks really built up their fleet. That said, technoligically, in the 50's
and the 60's, all of the great maritime innovations came from the US. From
the Mariner class freighter to the inception of container ships, the rest of
the world was following the US, except in the arena of propulsion. When the
rest of the world moved over to more efficient diesel power, new ships in
the US were being built with steam plants as late as the late 70's.
Flags of convenience are a fairly new phenomena, arising in the 1960s.
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Granted, opportunities in the merchant marine have declined a great deal in recent years (really since the end of the first Gulf war, when the military let all ships in Diego Garcia go off-charter), but the US was far from being a maritime power before that. The decline predated the first Gulf War. In the late 1970's, major shipping |
first hand about the latter. I was on one of their ships in the Philippines
when it happened). The only thing keeping US shipping alive, and somewhat
competitive were the operating and construction subsidies, which became a
thing of the past in the early 80's.
Did you know that most of the military cargo hauled in both Gulf wars was
hauled on foreign flag vessels?
The maritime industry has been part of my life for as long as I can
remember.
Carey in Manvel
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