"Frank from Deeetroit" <dadurweird (AT) voyager (DOT) net> wrote

Conversely, ...... longer amount of time in radiator also translates to
longer amount of time in the engine (for the volume that isn't in the rad)
....... and it is THAT heat gradient (i.e. engine metal to coolant) that
matters.

Bottom line is that Jeff's car very likely had a partially plugged rad (wrt
air flow), and that 'exchange' (i.e. hot fluid to coils of the exchanger)
relied on moving more air through the available open fins, ... and the
trade_off was that more speed with the high RPMs was more optimal and
effective than low speed and low RPM.

Frank from Deeetroit wrote:
However the fluid then says in the heat source longer and that negates
the cool water as you then introduce hotter water back into the
radiator...you can't have it both ways...

The ability to cool comes from the ability to remove heat, more volume =
greater ability of heat reduction...cool water not circulating does not
reduce heat. the fluid needs to circulate to remove heat. Higher RPM =
more volume.

In article "Frank from Deeetroit" <dadurweird (AT) voyager (DOT) net> wrote:

Only if there is adequate air flow, to take the heat away.... (turn on fan)
Race cars generally run cooler, when they are going faster..(turn fan off)


Dan
****************************************
I'm going to stop putting things off.
Starting tomorrow.

"SimRacer" <NOsimracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote

Oh yeah is saw it & even emailed them with stats (what else?),
altho none of them got on the show.

I thot Hendrick made a pretty good point about the #24 being
a startup team, especially considering Evernham was as new to Cup
as JG. THE point i fergot about that Rick made was that the
Defending Champ got either the 1st pit stall (or was it 1st choice?)
for the entire following season. IMO that was a huge advantage!
Haven't found any details on that Rule yet--Wondering how many seasons
it was in effect & especially did it benefit DE greatly, moderately?
CRU

"Anthony Fremont" <anyone (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

On May 17, 1:19 pm, "Crusader" <cru... (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

That is the way he wanted to spin it, but adding a car to an existing
sucessful team is not a start up team. The structure was in place.
The resources were in place. The buildings and equipment were likely
in place or easy enough to add. Its always easier to add, than to
create. Notebooks were available for Ray to cruise through. New car
is not new team. Granted they had to work to make the most of the
opportunity, but it was nothing like a new team. MWR is a new team.
Jeff faced none of those challenges. The team was a winning team.
Silver spoon? Probably not fair, but Jeff did have some very big
advantages most of the day didn't. First he had the backing of
parents that could afford and support him his racing quest. Even USAC
isn't cheap. Helping to put those deals together or paying for them
outright with a kid that young wasn't easy, nor was it the typical
method of the time to get into Nascar. Jeff never drove bad
equipment. Prior to Jeff a driver would have to prove themselves at
the top level in a car other than one of the top teams. To put it in
todays lingo, you would have had to done well in the Bam car before
you would have had the chance to get a ride with Rousch, Childress,
Gibbs or Hendrick. Jeff has driven some ill handling cars, but he
never drove a bad race car. There is a difference. Drivers prior
to Jeff usually spent a part of their carreer in bad race cars with
little if any chance to win.

Silver spoon isn't really fair, but he didn't pay his dues the way
drivers in the past did. Thats not to say it didn't take hard work to
make the most of the opportunity which he did, but his opportunity
opened much much younger than any driver in the history of Nascar. In
the end his win totals will reflect that.

Now Ricks point about the champion getting the pit selection is
valid. Yet that is like comparing the Babe to the Hammer. In the
Babe's time a Homer could bounce over the fence, but if a fly went out
of the park it had to hit fair to be a home run. The Hammer could
have a fly that left the park fair but hook foul afterwards count, but
bouncers were doubles. How would it have effected the totals? Who
knows? Different times. Just both were following the rules of the
day, they were just different.

That is the way he wanted to spin it, but adding a car to an existing
sucessful team is not a start up team. The structure was in place.
The resources were in place. The buildings and equipment were likely
in place or easy enough to add. Its always easier to add, than to
create. Notebooks were available for Ray to cruise through. New car
is not new team. Granted they had to work to make the most of the
opportunity, but it was nothing like a new team. MWR is a new team.
Jeff faced none of those challenges. The team was a winning team.
Silver spoon? Probably not fair, but Jeff did have some very big
advantages most of the day didn't. First he had the backing of
parents that could afford and support him his racing quest. Even USAC
isn't cheap. Helping to put those deals together or paying for them
outright with a kid that young wasn't easy, nor was it the typical
method of the time to get into Nascar. Jeff never drove bad
equipment. Prior to Jeff a driver would have to prove themselves at
the top level in a car other than one of the top teams. To put it in
todays lingo, you would have had to done well in the Bam car before
you would have had the chance to get a ride with Rousch, Childress,
Gibbs or Hendrick. Jeff has driven some ill handling cars, but he
never drove a bad race car. There is a difference. Drivers prior
to Jeff usually spent a part of their carreer in bad race cars with
little if any chance to win.

Silver spoon isn't really fair, but he didn't pay his dues the way
drivers in the past did. Thats not to say it didn't take hard work to
make the most of the opportunity which he did, but his opportunity
opened much much younger than any driver in the history of Nascar. In
the end his win totals will reflect that.

Now Ricks point about the champion getting the pit selection is
valid. Yet that is like comparing the Babe to the Hammer. In the
Babe's time a Homer could bounce over the fence, but if a fly went out
of the park it had to hit fair to be a home run. The Hammer could
have a fly that left the park fair but hook foul afterwards count, but
bouncers were doubles. How would it have effected the totals? Who
knows? Different times. Just both were following the rules of the
day, they were just different.

"Frank from Deeetroit" <dadurweird (AT) voyager (DOT) net> wrote

JG had lost at least half of it in the last 100 laps.
.......Hence the steaming overflow.

Heat builds up in the engine compartment too at low speeds. Higher
speeds give more air flow around the engine block and all engine
compartment components. Thus the car stays cooler at high speed than
at low speed. The water goes through the radiator at the same speed no
matter how fast the car is going. It is pumped with an electric pump
which pumps the same all the time. So I'm sure Jeff was sweating out
the caution laps.

"George Mooth" <gmoothdoh (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

Interesting ............. I thought it was mechanical



So I'm sure Jeff was sweating out