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Default Preferential Treatment In NASCAR - 05-16-2007 , 04:32 PM






The Frontstretch: Is There Really Preferential Treatment In NASCAR?
Full Throttle · Mike Neff · Tuesday May 15, 2007
http://www.frontstretch.com/mneff/8896/

Well, NASCAR threw two different cautions during that final segment
of the race which put Gordon at a much greater risk of his car blowing up.
Saying that he was given preferential treatment during the entire event is
simply inaccurate.
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Default Re: Preferential Treatment In NASCAR - 05-16-2007 , 06:27 PM






On Wed, 16 May 2007 17:32:08 -0400,
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The Frontstretch: Is There Really Preferential Treatment In NASCAR?
Full Throttle · Mike Neff · Tuesday May 15, 2007
http://www.frontstretch.com/mneff/8896/

Well, NASCAR threw two different cautions during that final segment
of the race which put Gordon at a much greater risk of his car blowing up.
Saying that he was given preferential treatment during the entire event is
simply inaccurate.
wrong, putting around @50mph @ part
throttle cools the engine. so they
were actually helping him.


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Default Re: Preferential Treatment In NASCAR - 05-16-2007 , 06:37 PM




"deadguy3" <deadguy3 (AT) upstairs (DOT) com> wrote

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On Wed, 16 May 2007 17:32:08 -0400,
Crusader wrote:

The Frontstretch: Is There Really Preferential Treatment In NASCAR?
Full Throttle · Mike Neff · Tuesday May 15, 2007
http://www.frontstretch.com/mneff/8896/

Well, NASCAR threw two different cautions during that final segment
of the race which put Gordon at a much greater risk of his car blowing
up.
Saying that he was given preferential treatment during the entire event
is
simply inaccurate.

wrong, putting around @50mph @ part
throttle cools the engine. so they
were actually helping him.
..... those engines are designed to get more air at higher speeds. Slower
speeds = less air, more retained heat = blown engine. Some one correct me if
I'm wrong?

MW




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Default Re: Preferential Treatment In NASCAR - 05-16-2007 , 07:34 PM



MW wrote:
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 17:32:08 -0400,
Crusader wrote:

The Frontstretch: Is There Really Preferential Treatment In NASCAR?
Full Throttle · Mike Neff · Tuesday May 15, 2007
http://www.frontstretch.com/mneff/8896/

Well, NASCAR threw two different cautions during that final segment
of the race which put Gordon at a much greater risk of his car blowing
up.
Saying that he was given preferential treatment during the entire event
is
simply inaccurate.
wrong, putting around @50mph @ part
throttle cools the engine. so they
were actually helping him.

.... those engines are designed to get more air at higher speeds. Slower
speeds = less air, more retained heat = blown engine. Some one correct me if
I'm wrong?

MW


they're definitely designed to run at more that 1/4 throttle...

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Default Re: Preferential Treatment In NASCAR - 05-16-2007 , 07:47 PM




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On Wed, 16 May 2007 17:32:08 -0400,
Crusader wrote:

The Frontstretch: Is There Really Preferential Treatment In NASCAR?
Full Throttle · Mike Neff · Tuesday May 15, 2007
http://www.frontstretch.com/mneff/8896/

Well, NASCAR threw two different cautions during that final segment
of the race which put Gordon at a much greater risk of his car blowing
up.
Saying that he was given preferential treatment during the entire event
is
simply inaccurate.

wrong, putting around @50mph @ part
throttle cools the engine. so they
were actually helping him.

.... those engines are designed to get more air at higher speeds. Slower
speeds = less air, more retained heat = blown engine. Some one correct me
if
I'm wrong?

MW


Engine generates less heat at a lower speed which lessons the burden on the
cooling system.




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Default Re: Preferential Treatment In NASCAR - 05-16-2007 , 07:54 PM



On Wed, 16 May 2007 17:32:08 -0400, "Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>
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Quote:
The Frontstretch: Is There Really Preferential Treatment In NASCAR?
Full Throttle · Mike Neff · Tuesday May 15, 2007
http://www.frontstretch.com/mneff/8896/

Well, NASCAR threw two different cautions during that final segment
of the race which put Gordon at a much greater risk of his car blowing up.
Saying that he was given preferential treatment during the entire event is
simply inaccurate.
The cautions needed to be thrown and had nothing to do with who was in
the lead or who could benefit from the cautions.

--
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murder, gets shrieks of sympathy from us and marshals an army of
humanitarian defenders. But a man of genius is guilty by definition."
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Default Re: Preferential Treatment In NASCAR - 05-16-2007 , 07:57 PM




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On Wed, 16 May 2007 17:32:08 -0400,
Crusader wrote:

The Frontstretch: Is There Really Preferential Treatment In NASCAR?
Full Throttle · Mike Neff · Tuesday May 15, 2007
http://www.frontstretch.com/mneff/8896/

Well, NASCAR threw two different cautions during that final segment
of the race which put Gordon at a much greater risk of his car blowing
up.
Saying that he was given preferential treatment during the entire
event
is
simply inaccurate.

wrong, putting around @50mph @ part
throttle cools the engine. so they
were actually helping him.

.... those engines are designed to get more air at higher speeds. Slower
speeds = less air, more retained heat = blown engine. Some one correct me
if
I'm wrong?

MW



Engine generates less heat at a lower speed which lessons the burden on
the cooling system.
At Darlington the radiators get clogged from debris very easily.
This was JG's problem 3/4 into the race.
Slow speeds increase the water temps.
Higher speeds force what little airflow is available through the radiator.




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Default Re: Preferential Treatment In NASCAR - 05-16-2007 , 08:00 PM




"Thoth" <Thoth (AT) Thoth (DOT) egy> wrote

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On Wed, 16 May 2007 17:32:08 -0400, "Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net
wrote:

The Frontstretch: Is There Really Preferential Treatment In NASCAR?
Full Throttle · Mike Neff · Tuesday May 15, 2007
http://www.frontstretch.com/mneff/8896/

Well, NASCAR threw two different cautions during that final segment
of the race which put Gordon at a much greater risk of his car blowing up.
Saying that he was given preferential treatment during the entire event is
simply inaccurate.

The cautions needed to be thrown and had nothing to do with who was in
the lead or who could benefit from the cautions.

That is exactly what should have been said after Phoenix and Talladega
instead of so much whining about cautions in favor of one car or another.




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Default Re: Preferential Treatment In NASCAR - 05-16-2007 , 08:29 PM



On Thu, 17 May 2007 01:00:53 GMT, "\"\"78\"\"" <cales-spot (AT) next (DOT) net>
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 17:32:08 -0400, "Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net
wrote:

The Frontstretch: Is There Really Preferential Treatment In NASCAR?
Full Throttle · Mike Neff · Tuesday May 15, 2007
http://www.frontstretch.com/mneff/8896/

Well, NASCAR threw two different cautions during that final segment
of the race which put Gordon at a much greater risk of his car blowing up.
Saying that he was given preferential treatment during the entire event is
simply inaccurate.

The cautions needed to be thrown and had nothing to do with who was in
the lead or who could benefit from the cautions.

That is exactly what should have been said after Phoenix and Talladega
instead of so much whining about cautions in favor of one car or another.
I couldn't comment on Phoenix or Talladega. I generally do not watch
the races anymore because NASCAR's product is not what it used to be.

--
"Any illiterate maniac, any worthless moron who commits some revolting
murder, gets shrieks of sympathy from us and marshals an army of
humanitarian defenders. But a man of genius is guilty by definition."
- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead


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Default Re: Preferential Treatment In NASCAR - 05-16-2007 , 08:43 PM



That's like saying the space shuttle would get to the moon with only 1/2
it's fuel if it just went slower. Everything in the car is designed to
operate at incresed RPM's.
Look at the grill intake on your family truckster and then a WINSTON CUP
(feels good to say that)series car. Your car will take in 1500cfm cooling
air at 45 mph. Fine for that application. And the NASCAR, 3000+ with duct
tape removal at 180mph, also fine for the 900 miles the engine is expected
to last.
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wrong, putting around @50mph @ part
throttle cools the engine. so they
were actually helping him.



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