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08-14-2005
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If NASCAR brings rain tires why don't they use them. Are they no good meaning that Goodyear cannot make a racing rain tire? If not then a good reason not to by goodyear tires for my car. Then why not use a tire company that can make rain tires like they do in F1 and Champ car. Or is becouse the oval track Taxi drivers are not real race car drivers but only can turn left or drive in ideal conditions under sunny skies and no rain. Real racers can drive in all conditions and can turn to the right. |
the actual reason(s) they can't race stock cars in the rain go farther than
just the tires. First, they're enclosed cockpits, and window fogging is an
issue. They've tested these cars in the wet, and their windows
(windsheild/windscreen especially) fog up too bad to see through. Several
"defroster" systems have been tried (and add weight and electrical load to
the cars) and none have worked properly so far.
Also, they can't find a "perfect" wiper system for the windshield either.
Again several have been tested, and none have really worked out. The best of
the worst was a single arm, large central mounted unit IIRC.
About they only thing that has worked for them is the added brakelight.
Those did seem to work, and could be seen, even through the fogged-up rear
windows.
Also, your comparison to F1 and Champ cars is flawed. Those cars weigh half
as much, and have wings at both ends. That mechanical grip/downforce
increase alone would make them easier to drive in the rain, much less with
treaded tires designed for much lighter cars.
Your rant should've asked why can't stock cars run in the rain like the
Rolex/Grand-Am Daytona Prototypes or GT or GTS class cars do, since they at
least are enclosed and don't have tons of extra downforce, then you may have
come off like you knew something.
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| Actually, the tires are basically fine, but nice try on the rant anyway. No, the actual reason(s) they can't race stock cars in the rain go farther than just the tires. First, they're enclosed cockpits, and window fogging is an issue. They've tested these cars in the wet, and their windows (windsheild/windscreen especially) fog up too bad to see through. Several "defroster" systems have been tried (and add weight and electrical load to the cars) and none have worked properly so far. |
convince me that the guys that do all of the other tricks to make a 1960's
vintage carburated engine do what they do, can't come up with a workable
defroster system. The added weight argument is just poppy cock to me.
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Also, they can't find a "perfect" wiper system for the windshield either. Again several have been tested, and none have really worked out. The best of the worst was a single arm, large central mounted unit IIRC. |
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Also, your comparison to F1 and Champ cars is flawed. Those cars weigh half as much, and have wings at both ends. That mechanical grip/downforce increase alone would make them easier to drive in the rain, much less with treaded tires designed for much lighter cars. |
speeds that any car has to slow down to in order to run in the rain, I just
can't believe there is much downforce generated by the wings at all. You
have to reach a minimum airflow over the wing in order to generate
downforce. I just don't see this as relevant in the (academic) discussion
of whether Cup cars can run in the rain or not.
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Your rant should've asked why can't stock cars run in the rain like the Rolex/Grand-Am Daytona Prototypes or GT or GTS class cars do, since they at least are enclosed and don't have tons of extra downforce, then you may have come off like you knew something. |
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"GDB." <dburdick (AT) rogersnospam (DOT) com> wrote in message news:yvOdnfpDz5Hd92LfRVn-hg (AT) rogers (DOT) com... If NASCAR brings rain tires why don't they use them. Are they no good meaning that Goodyear cannot make a racing rain tire? If not then a good reason not to by goodyear tires for my car. Then why not use a tire company that can make rain tires like they do in F1 and Champ car. Or is becouse the oval track Taxi drivers are not real race car drivers but only can turn left or drive in ideal conditions under sunny skies and no rain. Real racers can drive in all conditions and can turn to the right. Actually, the tires are basically fine, but nice try on the rant anyway. No, the actual reason(s) they can't race stock cars in the rain go farther than just the tires. First, they're enclosed cockpits, and window fogging is an issue. They've tested these cars in the wet, and their windows (windsheild/windscreen especially) fog up too bad to see through. Several "defroster" systems have been tried (and add weight and electrical load to the cars) and none have worked properly so far. Also, they can't find a "perfect" wiper system for the windshield either. Again several have been tested, and none have really worked out. The best of the worst was a single arm, large central mounted unit IIRC. About they only thing that has worked for them is the added brakelight. Those did seem to work, and could be seen, even through the fogged-up rear windows. Also, your comparison to F1 and Champ cars is flawed. Those cars weigh half as much, and have wings at both ends. That mechanical grip/downforce increase alone would make them easier to drive in the rain, much less with treaded tires designed for much lighter cars. Your rant should've asked why can't stock cars run in the rain like the Rolex/Grand-Am Daytona Prototypes or GT or GTS class cars do, since they at least are enclosed and don't have tons of extra downforce, then you may have come off like you knew something. You forgot Le Mans racers which covers a lot of different types. |
rain tires which implies that they are there to be used they also have
put wipers on the cup cars and as for fogging the temps are lower and
air is moved into an out of the drivers area.
If you said it was unsafe because of the wieght of the cup cars an lack
of experience in bad weather that would be more like it.
Almost all other roadracing series run in the rain for there fans and
the drivers know how to change for the conditions. NASCAR call full
course cautions for hangnails inside a local cautions that other series.
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Actually, the tires are basically fine, but nice try on the rant anyway. No, the actual reason(s) they can't race stock cars in the rain go farther than just the tires. First, they're enclosed cockpits, and window fogging is an issue. Also, they can't find a "perfect" wiper system for the windshield either. Again several have been tested, and none have really worked out. |
If all that crap is true, then why do they continue to bring cars
with rain tires and wipers... If they aren't going to use them?
Dan
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because your character is what you 'really' are,
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If NASCAR brings rain tires why don't they use them. Are they no good meaning that Goodyear cannot make a racing rain tire? If not then a good reason not to by goodyear tires for my car. Then why not use a tire company that can make rain tires like they do in F1 and Champ car. Or is becouse the oval track Taxi drivers are not real race car drivers but only can turn left or drive in ideal conditions under sunny skies and no rain. Real racers can drive in all conditions and can turn to the right. |
slowly?
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solamente ocho !
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"GDB." <dburdick (AT) rogersnospam (DOT) com> wrote in message news:yvOdnfpDz5Hd92LfRVn-hg (AT) rogers (DOT) com... If NASCAR brings rain tires why don't they use them. Are they no good meaning that Goodyear cannot make a racing rain tire? If not then a good reason not to by goodyear tires for my car. Then why not use a tire company that can make rain tires like they do in F1 and Champ car. Or is becouse the oval track Taxi drivers are not real race car drivers but only can turn left or drive in ideal conditions under sunny skies and no rain. Real racers can drive in all conditions and can turn to the right. Who wants to sit in the stands in the rain and watch a group of cars running slowly? -- -v- solamente ocho ! Sitting in the stands in the rain beats standing under the stands getting |
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"GDB." <dburdick (AT) rogersnospam (DOT) com> wrote in message news:yvOdnfpDz5Hd92LfRVn-hg (AT) rogers (DOT) com... If NASCAR brings rain tires why don't they use them. Are they no good meaning that Goodyear cannot make a racing rain tire? If not then a good reason not to by goodyear tires for my car. Then why not use a tire company that can make rain tires like they do in F1 and Champ car. Or is becouse the oval track Taxi drivers are not real race car drivers but only can turn left or drive in ideal conditions under sunny skies and no rain. Real racers can drive in all conditions and can turn to the right. Who wants to sit in the stands in the rain and watch a group of cars running slowly? |
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The simplest of things NASCAR can do is to put on a show on the date it is scheduled and actually be prepared to run the show regardless of the weather conditions. Once again NASCAR has demonstrated they cannot do the simplest of tasks, run a race. NASCAR has all of this technolgy built into their KIT cars and the simplest component they overlook is a set of stinking rain tires in the event it rains. It is the least they could do for the very people who actually support the sport, run the show on the date it is scheduled. Get the freaking rain tires clowns. |
race. Shut the fuck up and go away.
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:51:58 -0700, "RickyBobby" <nascar42 (AT) cox (DOT) net wrote: "Tim Shelton" <noemail1543 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:6ni1855p3hofkaj2fi071lo4b8rs858kho (AT) ccr (DOT) org... The simplest of things NASCAR can do is to put on a show on the date it is scheduled and actually be prepared to run the show regardless of the weather conditions. Once again NASCAR has demonstrated they cannot do the simplest of tasks, run a race. NASCAR has all of this technolgy built into their KIT cars and the simplest component they overlook is a set of stinking rain tires in the event it rains. It is the least they could do for the very people who actually support the sport, run the show on the date it is scheduled. Get the freaking rain tires clowns. They did run the race. Nobody put you in charge of what day they ran the race. Shut the fuck up and go away. It is bullshit that they could not run the race on the scheduled day because they did not have the right equipment to do so. All teams have to do is change their setups a little to accomodate the rain tires and the suspension and alignment. What the hell is the problem with doing that? |
go away.
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