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Re: RASN Discussion Topics -
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"SimRacer" <NOsimracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message news:qg3nb3dsehsh4mvslb9bni8fn7dcc3jds0 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:50:39 -0400, "Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> wrote: RASN Discussion Topics *Robbie Gordon--Right or Wrong, I say he was Right Well, as they say, it is F1. What did you expect? ;-) CRUsnip cuz u r correct Sim  Too bad u didn't see the most controversial race in NA$CAR in many years. I agree with u that road races need more scoring loops. ESPN didn't show RG's pass of M.Ambrose, but they did show M.Ambrose's right rear quarter panel flared out as if his car had not been so cleanly passed by one RG. Too funny u would mention 'not racin back to the yellow'. I'm sure u recall that it was RG who raced agressively under caution vs KHarvick that inspired N to change 'The Gentleman's Agreement' to NO racing back to the caution. *Why Monte acknowledges the excitement created by The Chase & yet continually tilts against The Chase is beyond me. I'll just remind all readers that from '98 thru '03, The Champ was decided well before the last race. Since The Chase was implemented in '04, all 3 Champs were decided at the last race. But do we really want to be like EVERY OTHER sport and have some "final game"? Seems to me that NASCAR's year long points system worked great for the first 50 years. And if it ain't broke...I guess you could break it. I still don't care for the Chase, and am a bigger fan of the CTS, NBS and local racing now as a result of the playoff system in NNC. I don't care how many "more" drivers have a shot at the title now. Matter of fact, that's what I don't like. We've intoduced "wild cards" into title contention, and it cheapens winning the Cup as a result, in my eyes anyway. I'm sure i cain't convince u or anyone else that The Chase is better than the previous arbitrary Point System. All i can say is since '04, it's better to have some wonder who might be Champ than MKenseth in '03 that ran away with a no doubt Champ, or BW CEdwards totally destroying '06 KHarvick's winning margin of 824 points. So many Racin' Topics, so little time between Na$car Controversies!! The above are my picks to discuss this week's Controversies. CRU |
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"SimRacer" <NOsimracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) comSPAM> wrote in message news:qg3nb3dsehsh4mvslb9bni8fn7dcc3jds0 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:50:39 -0400, "Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> wrote: RASN Discussion Topics *Robbie Gordon--Right or Wrong, I say he was Right Well, as they say, it is F1. What did you expect? ;-) CRUsnip cuz u r correct Sim Too bad u didn't see the most controversial race in NA$CAR in many years. I agree with u that road races need more scoring loops. ESPN didn't show RG's pass of M.Ambrose, but they did show M.Ambrose's right rear quarter panel flared out as if his car had not been so cleanly passed by one RG. Too funny u would mention 'not racin back to the yellow'. I'm sure u recall that it was RG who raced agressively under caution vs KHarvick that inspired N to change 'The Gentleman's Agreement' to NO racing back to the caution. |
Gentlemen's Agreement that brought it about. The last straw, best I
can remember, was actually Dale Jarrett sitting sideways at Dover or
somewhere, just before the S/F line and he near'bout got t-boned by
several guys "racing back to the yellow". The rule was changed the
very next week, or week after.
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*Why Monte acknowledges the excitement created by The Chase & yet continually tilts against The Chase is beyond me. I'll just remind all readers that from '98 thru '03, The Champ was decided well before the last race. Since The Chase was implemented in '04, all 3 Champs were decided at the last race. But do we really want to be like EVERY OTHER sport and have some "final game"? Seems to me that NASCAR's year long points system worked great for the first 50 years. And if it ain't broke...I guess you could break it. I still don't care for the Chase, and am a bigger fan of the CTS, NBS and local racing now as a result of the playoff system in NNC. I don't care how many "more" drivers have a shot at the title now. Matter of fact, that's what I don't like. We've intoduced "wild cards" into title contention, and it cheapens winning the Cup as a result, in my eyes anyway. I'm sure i cain't convince u or anyone else that The Chase is better than the previous arbitrary Point System. All i can say is since '04, it's better to have some wonder who might be Champ than MKenseth in '03 that ran away with a no doubt Champ, or BW CEdwards totally destroying '06 KHarvick's winning margin of 824 points. |
with an "exciting final" 10 races deciding a Champ. The racing should
be exciting all year long, and the Champ should be the one that acrues
the most points over 36 races. Now, big runners build up a lead (can
also take a 100pt penalty in stride) and coast into the final 10. All
they've really achieved, IMHO, is the boring racing is now the last
5-10 *before* the Chase, where the guys "locked in" are tinkering with
cars and setups and are testing, "getting ready" for the final 10.
Same boring old stuff, on boring old tracks (New Hampshire, Pocono,
Indy, etc), it's just happening in July instead of October now.
No offense to Indy worshipers meant, of course. IMHO, a flat 2 mile
rounded rectangle puts on about some of the most sleep-inducing racing
I've ever seen. Homestead got the hint and ovaled up and banked their
stuff. Indy won't, of course, but it is as boring as Homestead was
before its FIRST reconfigure from a rounded (basically) rectangle to a
rounded oval - before they then banked that rounded oval into what we
have there today.
But I can see where a Hendrick/Johnson/Gordon fan would be a fan of
the Chase these days. They've won a bunch of races (bonus points) and
are sitting pretty to finish up near the top by season's end as it is.
Not hard to like that situation as a fan of HMS. Even if JJ slips to
10th or 12th (unlikely), his wins will boost him back into the top 5
after race 26 when they add the bonus fairy points into the scheme.
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Actually, as I recall it, it was *several* moments of ignoring the Gentlemen's Agreement that brought it about. |
never would have been an issue. Back in the old days, the leader
raced back to the line, and it was expected he'd do his damnedest
to keep the lapped cars a lap down. Then out of no-where we had
a "gentlemen's agreement" that everyone would politely follow the
leader to the flag, except for his friends and teammates, who were
allowed to rush around him if they were a lap down, and maybe the
leader would damn near stop to let his buddy get around. If the
leader had kept going like he should have, then all the dangerous
driving wouldn't have happened.
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The last straw, best I can remember, was actually Dale Jarrett sitting sideways at Dover or somewhere, just before the S/F line and he near'bout got t-boned by several guys "racing back to the yellow". The rule was changed the very next week, or week after. |
the middle of the track at Dover, everything always slides to the
inside of the track.
In any event, if you hadn't had a bunch of guys running hellbent
to get their lap back, trying to pass both the spun car and a line
of slower lead lap cars being "gentlemanly", it wouldn't have been
near so exciting for Jarrett.
John
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