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Default RCR rims, NASACAR SAYS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN - 09-18-2006 , 04:55 PM






from Jaysaki:
http://jayski.com/cupnews.htm#myprints



UPDATE: Race winner Kevin Harvick and his teammate, Jeff Burton, did not
have any problems in post race tech Sunday night at Loudon. Late Sunday
night, it was reported that the Richard Childress Racing teams had
manipulated their rims to act as a bleeder valve to release air pressure
from the rim. According to NASCAR however, the issue of the rims never
surfaced during post race tech. "We've been checking valves and valve stems
for about 4 months now," said Jim Hunter Vice President of Corporate
Communications for NASCAR said Monday. "What it was, was one reporter trying
to make something that wasn't there. Then another reporter went on TV and
reported it as fact, when it was actually totally untrue. It was one
reporter's unsubstantiated fantasy,"(Cupscene.com)

AND The following is a statement from Richard Childress, president and CEO
of Richard Childress Racing (RCR), regarding allegations in the media after
the Sept. 19 NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series race at New Hampshire International
Speedway that two of RCR's teams had manipulated the rules: "Reports in the
media, specifically on SPEED TV, that one or more of our NEXTEL Cup Series
teams was found by NASCAR to be manipulating the rules yesterday at New
Hampshire International Speedway are false and misleading. Our cars passed
post-race inspection and officials at NASCAR assured us last night and again
today that no one from RCR was told at any time not to bring a part back to
the race track. The reported events and conversations did not happen. Our
focus remains on two of our teams competing for the championship and the
other finishing as high in the points as possible.(RCR PR)(9-18-2006)


was RCR cheating.......I GUESS NOT! who will the first to say maybe
NASACAR is covering it up.

mike.........



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Default Re: RCR rims, NASACAR SAYS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN - 09-18-2006 , 05:07 PM







"JerseyMike" <clamdigger724 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote


Charlotte Observer carries NASCAR rebuttal of story here:
http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/15549492.htm
'NASCAR vice president Jim Hunter on Monday called a Speed TV report
claiming the sanctioning body found issues with the cars of Nextel Cup
Series winner Kevin Harvick or his Richard Childress Racing teammate Jeff
Burton "sheer fantasy."
Hunter said Dillner did not ask anyone with NASCAR about the issue before
his report aired. "If he had, we would have told him the same thing," Hunter
said. "He didn't ask because he didn't want to know the answer. It was an
example of sensational journalism at its worst."


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was RCR cheating.......I GUESS NOT! who will the first to say maybe
NASACAR is covering it up.
Hard to read what you just typed... That black helicopter interference
coming from SpeedTV is making my screen all twitchy and blurry.....




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Default Re: RCR rims, NASACAR SAYS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN - 09-18-2006 , 05:07 PM




"JerseyMike" <clamdigger724 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote


Geeez... I sure hope Dave Despain isn't allergic to crow... Inside Nextel
Cup tonight will be the first live programming since the report aired on
Wind Tunnel last night. Dillner phoned it in and Despain rolled with it.
Despain at least owes immediate retraction and apology for that horseshit
getting loose on his program. Maybe Dillner could be dragged in as a special
guest for a crow eating contest...



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Default Re: RCR rims, NASACAR SAYS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN - 09-18-2006 , 05:17 PM



"JerseyMike" <clamdigger724 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
from Jaysaki:
http://jayski.com/cupnews.htm#myprints
UPDATE: Race winner Kevin Harvick and his teammate, Jeff Burton, did not
have any problems in post race tech Sunday night at Loudon. Late Sunday
night, it was reported that the Richard Childress Racing teams had
manipulated their rims to act as a bleeder valve to release air pressure
from the rim. According to NASCAR however, the issue of the rims never
surfaced during post race tech. "We've been checking valves and valve stems
for about 4 months now," said Jim Hunter Vice President of Corporate
Communications for NASCAR said Monday. "What it was, was one reporter trying
to make something that wasn't there. Then another reporter went on TV and
reported it as fact, when it was actually totally untrue. It was one
reporter's unsubstantiated fantasy,"(Cupscene.com)

AND The following is a statement from Richard Childress, president and CEO
of Richard Childress Racing (RCR), regarding allegations in the media after
the Sept. 19 NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series race at New Hampshire International
Speedway that two of RCR's teams had manipulated the rules: "Reports in the
media, specifically on SPEED TV, that one or more of our NEXTEL Cup Series
teams was found by NASCAR to be manipulating the rules yesterday at New
Hampshire International Speedway are false and misleading. Our cars passed
post-race inspection and officials at NASCAR assured us last night and again
today that no one from RCR was told at any time not to bring a part back to
the race track. The reported events and conversations did not happen. Our
focus remains on two of our teams competing for the championship and the
other finishing as high in the points as possible.(RCR PR)(9-18-2006)


was RCR cheating.......I GUESS NOT! who will the first to say maybe
NASACAR is covering it up.

mike.........


I'll be The First!
While watching Victory Lane, i noticed the #29 car was still in
inspection as they left the air (1 hour later).
I mentioned to a friend that it seems the #29 might have discrepancies
since usually post-race inspection takes much less than 1 hour.
I can't believe NA$CAr will once again whitewash a potential violation.
Apparently N refuses to take a win away ever since they did it once
vs Ricky Rudd at Sears Point.

Considering all the recent past serious rule violations
surrounding RCR (& their sudden resurgence), i smell a conspiracy!
CRU




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Default Re: RCR rims, NASACAR SAYS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN - 09-18-2006 , 05:38 PM




"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
"JerseyMike" <clamdigger724 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:4JDPg.177382$5i3.103091 (AT) bgtnsc04-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net...
from Jaysaki:
http://jayski.com/cupnews.htm#myprints
UPDATE: Race winner Kevin Harvick and his teammate, Jeff Burton, did not
have any problems in post race tech Sunday night at Loudon. Late Sunday
night, it was reported that the Richard Childress Racing teams had
manipulated their rims to act as a bleeder valve to release air pressure
from the rim. According to NASCAR however, the issue of the rims never
surfaced during post race tech. "We've been checking valves and valve
stems
for about 4 months now," said Jim Hunter Vice President of Corporate
Communications for NASCAR said Monday. "What it was, was one reporter
trying
to make something that wasn't there. Then another reporter went on TV
and
reported it as fact, when it was actually totally untrue. It was one
reporter's unsubstantiated fantasy,"(Cupscene.com)

AND The following is a statement from Richard Childress, president and
CEO
of Richard Childress Racing (RCR), regarding allegations in the media
after
the Sept. 19 NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series race at New Hampshire
International
Speedway that two of RCR's teams had manipulated the rules: "Reports in
the
media, specifically on SPEED TV, that one or more of our NEXTEL Cup
Series
teams was found by NASCAR to be manipulating the rules yesterday at New
Hampshire International Speedway are false and misleading. Our cars
passed
post-race inspection and officials at NASCAR assured us last night and
again
today that no one from RCR was told at any time not to bring a part back
to
the race track. The reported events and conversations did not happen.
Our
focus remains on two of our teams competing for the championship and the
other finishing as high in the points as possible.(RCR PR)(9-18-2006)


was RCR cheating.......I GUESS NOT! who will the first to say maybe
NASACAR is covering it up.

mike.........


I'll be The First!
While watching Victory Lane, i noticed the #29 car was still in
inspection as they left the air (1 hour later).
I mentioned to a friend that it seems the #29 might have discrepancies
since usually post-race inspection takes much less than 1 hour.
I can't believe NA$CAr will once again whitewash a potential violation.
Apparently N refuses to take a win away ever since they did it once
vs Ricky Rudd at Sears Point.

Considering all the recent past serious rule violations
surrounding RCR (& their sudden resurgence), i smell a conspiracy!
CRU

LOL! I would jump right on the fringe theory with you Cru, but I am decent
with the technical stuff, though not a certified rocket scientist. That
said, I don't see how they could drill rims, tires, inner liners (which
aren't run at Loudon anyway IIRC) or any part of the rotating tire assembly
and have it actually work as described. There would literally need to be a
hardware one-way bleeder valve somewhere for it to actually work - lest we
forget, they don't fill these tires with "air" to begin with , they fill
them with nitrogen - so a barrior between the "air" and the internal
nitrogen must be maintaned for the tires to react over the length of a run
with any sort of predictability. Recall: They do this since all "air" has a
degree of water (H2O) in it and isn't pure O2. Nitrogen doesn't contain H2O,
is more stable when compressed/contained than pure O2 (Think: Apollo 1), and
expands with increasing temperature at a more uniform rate.

Otherwise (if they "did" drill or otherwise modify the rims), the 29/31
teams would've been playing with fire and greatly increasing their risk for
a blowout or otherwise flat tire in Chase Race 1, which I wouldn't think
Childress would want to do in a year where his teams appear to have actually
turned a corner, so to speak.

Quote:



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Julia
 
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Default Re: RCR rims, NASACAR SAYS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN - 09-18-2006 , 05:45 PM




RobZip wrote:
Quote:
"JerseyMike" <clamdigger724 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:4JDPg.177382$5i3.103091 (AT) bgtnsc04-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net...

Charlotte Observer carries NASCAR rebuttal of story here:
http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/15549492.htm
'NASCAR vice president Jim Hunter on Monday called a Speed TV report
claiming the sanctioning body found issues with the cars of Nextel Cup
Series winner Kevin Harvick or his Richard Childress Racing teammate Jeff
Burton "sheer fantasy."
Hunter said Dillner did not ask anyone with NASCAR about the issue before
his report aired. "If he had, we would have told him the same thing," Hunter
said. "He didn't ask because he didn't want to know the answer. It was an
example of sensational journalism at its worst."


was RCR cheating.......I GUESS NOT! who will the first to say maybe
NASACAR is covering it up.

Hard to read what you just typed... That black helicopter interference
coming from SpeedTV is making my screen all twitchy and blurry.....
LOL.... exactly. Given the fact that NASCAR hasn't hesistated to fine
or penalize RCR for rules infractions in the past, I see no reason why
they would start now.

--
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Default Re: RCR rims, NASACAR SAYS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN - 09-18-2006 , 06:39 PM



A cover up? Come on now... It's not like we are talking about Dale
Earnhardt Jr. here.
=-o


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Default Re: RCR rims, NASACAR SAYS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN - 09-18-2006 , 07:30 PM




"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:4n8gncF97qklU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net...
"JerseyMike" <clamdigger724 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:4JDPg.177382$5i3.103091 (AT) bgtnsc04-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net...
from Jaysaki:
http://jayski.com/cupnews.htm#myprints
UPDATE: Race winner Kevin Harvick and his teammate, Jeff Burton, did
not
have any problems in post race tech Sunday night at Loudon. Late Sunday
night, it was reported that the Richard Childress Racing teams had
manipulated their rims to act as a bleeder valve to release air
pressure
from the rim. According to NASCAR however, the issue of the rims never
surfaced during post race tech. "We've been checking valves and valve
stems
for about 4 months now," said Jim Hunter Vice President of Corporate
Communications for NASCAR said Monday. "What it was, was one reporter
trying
to make something that wasn't there. Then another reporter went on TV
and
reported it as fact, when it was actually totally untrue. It was one
reporter's unsubstantiated fantasy,"(Cupscene.com)

AND The following is a statement from Richard Childress, president and
CEO
of Richard Childress Racing (RCR), regarding allegations in the media
after
the Sept. 19 NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series race at New Hampshire
International
Speedway that two of RCR's teams had manipulated the rules: "Reports in
the
media, specifically on SPEED TV, that one or more of our NEXTEL Cup
Series
teams was found by NASCAR to be manipulating the rules yesterday at New
Hampshire International Speedway are false and misleading. Our cars
passed
post-race inspection and officials at NASCAR assured us last night and
again
today that no one from RCR was told at any time not to bring a part
back
to
the race track. The reported events and conversations did not happen.
Our
focus remains on two of our teams competing for the championship and
the
other finishing as high in the points as possible.(RCR PR)(9-18-2006)


was RCR cheating.......I GUESS NOT! who will the first to say maybe
NASACAR is covering it up.

mike.........


I'll be The First!
While watching Victory Lane, i noticed the #29 car was still in
inspection as they left the air (1 hour later).
I mentioned to a friend that it seems the #29 might have discrepancies
since usually post-race inspection takes much less than 1 hour.
I can't believe NA$CAr will once again whitewash a potential violation.
Apparently N refuses to take a win away ever since they did it once
vs Ricky Rudd at Sears Point.

Considering all the recent past serious rule violations
surrounding RCR (& their sudden resurgence), i smell a conspiracy!
CRU


LOL! I would jump right on the fringe theory with you Cru, but I am decent
with the technical stuff, though not a certified rocket scientist. That
said, I don't see how they could drill rims, tires, inner liners (which
aren't run at Loudon anyway IIRC) or any part of the rotating tire
assembly
and have it actually work as described. There would literally need to be a
hardware one-way bleeder valve somewhere for it to actually work - lest we
forget, they don't fill these tires with "air" to begin with , they fill
them with nitrogen - so a barrior between the "air" and the internal
nitrogen must be maintaned for the tires to react over the length of a run
with any sort of predictability. Recall: They do this since all "air" has
a
degree of water (H2O) in it and isn't pure O2. Nitrogen doesn't contain
H2O,
is more stable when compressed/contained than pure O2 (Think: Apollo 1),
and
expands with increasing temperature at a more uniform rate.

Otherwise (if they "did" drill or otherwise modify the rims), the 29/31
teams would've been playing with fire and greatly increasing their risk
for
a blowout or otherwise flat tire in Chase Race 1, which I wouldn't think
Childress would want to do in a year where his teams appear to have
actually
turned a corner, so to speak.


The story wasn't about drilling, it was about a .003" of an inch laser cut
slot right at the bead just beyond the portion of the bead where the tire
seals to the rim, which could easily allow pressure to slowly vent off as
the pressures increased. There would be no fire risk because the slot is on
the outside of the rim and the nitrogen would dissipate quickly. Also the
amount of nitrogen vented would be a very minimum amount and vented over the
entirety of a run.
Additionally, if the nitrogen is such a fire hazard, why don't the tires
explode into flames when they blow out?
The more you think about it, the more plausible it seems.
Do you actually think that Dilner would jeopardize his entire career over
some bs story?
Childress wouldn't chance it? Not for the first time he wouldn't, but if he
had success before (like they haven't been successful lately), what would
stop him?
Connect the dots, it's just that simple.




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Default Re: RCR rims, NASACAR SAYS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN - 09-18-2006 , 07:58 PM




"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:


LOL! I would jump right on the fringe theory with you Cru, but I am decent
with the technical stuff, though not a certified rocket scientist. That
said, I don't see how they could drill rims, tires, inner liners (which
aren't run at Loudon anyway IIRC) or any part of the rotating tire
assembly
and have it actually work as described. There would literally need to be a
hardware one-way bleeder valve somewhere for it to actually work - lest we
forget, they don't fill these tires with "air" to begin with , they fill
them with nitrogen - so a barrior between the "air" and the internal
nitrogen must be maintaned for the tires to react over the length of a run
with any sort of predictability. Recall: They do this since all "air" has
a
degree of water (H2O) in it and isn't pure O2. Nitrogen doesn't contain
H2O,
is more stable when compressed/contained than pure O2 (Think: Apollo 1),
and
expands with increasing temperature at a more uniform rate.
What we call "air" is largely nitrogen. Only a little over 20% is oxygen.
The rest is CO2, water vapor (already mentioned) and other gasses. The
prime reason for using nitrogen in the tires is basic physics. If the gas
is known and pure, the expansion rate and increase in pressure is
predictable and reliable. And, yes, as you stated, more uniform. The big
deal, though is the predictabilty. Using air, the expansion is the sum of
the different rates of the component gasses. At any given time and place,
this percentage is different and hard to predict. Moisture being but one
part of the mix. Any pure gas could be used, but nitrogen i the most
plentiful, inert and easiest to produce and store. And, yes, it is dry.
Quote:
Otherwise (if they "did" drill or otherwise modify the rims), the 29/31
teams would've been playing with fire and greatly increasing their risk
for
a blowout or otherwise flat tire in Chase Race 1, which I wouldn't think
Childress would want to do in a year where his teams appear to have
actually
turned a corner, so to speak.
Who ever thought that drilling the rims (or laser cutting) would make the
tires/rims act as bleeder valves (that is what we called them in sprint car
racing) doesn't understand how they would work. It does make a good story
to the less technical folks, though.

Carey in Manvel




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Default Re: RCR rims, NASACAR SAYS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN - 09-18-2006 , 08:02 PM




"Speeed Racer!" <wedontneedanysteekingreplies (AT) whodat (DOT) org> wrote

Quote:


The story wasn't about drilling, it was about a .003" of an inch laser cut
slot right at the bead just beyond the portion of the bead where the tire
seals to the rim, which could easily allow pressure to slowly vent off as
the pressures increased. There would be no fire risk because the slot is
on the outside of the rim and the nitrogen would dissipate quickly. Also
the amount of nitrogen vented would be a very minimum amount and vented
over the entirety of a run.
Additionally, if the nitrogen is such a fire hazard, why don't the tires
explode into flames when they blow out?
The more you think about it, the more plausible it seems.
Do you actually think that Dilner would jeopardize his entire career over
some bs story?
Childress wouldn't chance it? Not for the first time he wouldn't, but if
he had success before (like they haven't been successful lately), what
would stop him?
Connect the dots, it's just that simple.
Nitrogen in inert and does not catch fire. It is often used in the
petrochemical industry as a "blanket" of inert gas over a flammable liquid
for safety. As far as "bleeding out the air", that is ridiculous. The
pressure will increase in a tire until the running temperature is
stabilized. At that point, because of the "laser cuts", the pressure would
then drop. The risk is of the tire going flat. There would be no way to
control that. Bleeder valves work as pressure relief valve and reseat when
the set pressure is achieved.

Carey in Manvel
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