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RCR wheel mods
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Re: RCR wheel mods -
09-18-2006
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JerseyMike wrote: "Nancy2" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote in message news:1158587880.596822.189970 (AT) i3g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com... RobZip wrote: It's been reported that in post race inspection, both the 29 & 31 cars were found to have modified bead areas on their wheels that allowed excess air pressure buildup to bleed off. There will be no points or monetary fines since this is deemed a 'gray area' not specifically addressed by the rules. I'm not so sure about that. Bleeder valves are specifically banned in NASCAR competition. Their purpose is to manipulate the air pressure in the tire once it has been mounted on the car. The laser cut slots in the RCR cars wheels was designed to circumvent that rule and manipulate air pressure once the wheel was mounted on the car. It is a definite competitive advantage. I don't know the mechanics here, but it sounds as though this is a worse violation of the "spirit" of competition than the Hendrick shock deal was last year. I've wondered off and on over the past few weeks how soon the 29 and 31 teams would be found to have cheated and how. I guess they've gone the route of other teams and not actually violated the rule book, they've just found a new way legally to manipulate outcomes. It's a good thing Nascar found this now and not 8 races into the Chase. N. what makes me wonder is that since Indy, the 48 team hasn't run that well and they don't seem to be at the dominate level they were earlier int he season. it's funny how one team can suddenly go to the bad side just as easy it is for a team to go to the good side when there is an advantage to the rule book being used or maybe stopped being used when there is talk in the garage area about it and being looked for. mike........... True. Especially odd since last year, the 48 really came together in the final 10. OTOH, who can predict what wild hair Robby Gordon will get from one race to the next? N. |
07.....sorry.
N.
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"RobZip" <no time (AT) me (DOT) net> wrote in message news:MppPg.6552$t73.860 (AT) tornado (DOT) ohiordc.rr.com... It's been reported that in post race inspection, both the 29 & 31 cars were found to have modified bead areas on their wheels that allowed excess air pressure buildup to bleed off. There will be no points or monetary fines since this is deemed a 'gray area' not specifically addressed by the rules. I'm not so sure about that. Bleeder valves are specifically banned in NASCAR competition. Their purpose is to manipulate the air pressure in the tire once it has been mounted on the car. The laser cut slots in the RCR cars wheels was designed to circumvent that rule and manipulate air pressure once the wheel was mounted on the car. It is a definite competitive advantage. Other attempts to circumvent various rules for competitive advantage have resulted in monetary and point fines. Accidental violations that did not result in competitive advantage have been fined as well. Of the latter category, the manifold spacer that cost Mark Martin a fine, 25 points, and arguably the championship one year was deemed to have offered no competitive advantage. The difference was a matter of it being bolted in place rather than welded to the manifold as required by rules. It was purely an oversight. Accidental violation, no competitive advantage = violation, points and monetary fine. Deliberate circumvention of rule, competitive advantage = pee-pee slap. I just love consistent enforcement............. I'm kind of curious as to what Jeff Burton will say (if anything) about that deal. He's always going on about racing clean, and is always patting himself on his back about his integrity. He's so outspoken when others do things that can be interpreted as dirty, will he be so candid about his shitty drawers? |
their cars, especially this kind of mechanical thing (as opposed to
engines)? If not, I'd suspect Kevin knew and Jeff didn't. If the
drivers always know, then I can't reconcile that knowledge with JB's
comments throughout the season.
N.
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Speeed Racer! wrote: "RobZip" <no time (AT) me (DOT) net> wrote in message news:MppPg.6552$t73.860 (AT) tornado (DOT) ohiordc.rr.com... It's been reported that in post race inspection, both the 29 & 31 cars were found to have modified bead areas on their wheels that allowed excess air pressure buildup to bleed off. There will be no points or monetary fines since this is deemed a 'gray area' not specifically addressed by the rules. I'm not so sure about that. Bleeder valves are specifically banned in NASCAR competition. Their purpose is to manipulate the air pressure in the tire once it has been mounted on the car. The laser cut slots in the RCR cars wheels was designed to circumvent that rule and manipulate air pressure once the wheel was mounted on the car. It is a definite competitive advantage. Other attempts to circumvent various rules for competitive advantage have resulted in monetary and point fines. Accidental violations that did not result in competitive advantage have been fined as well. Of the latter category, the manifold spacer that cost Mark Martin a fine, 25 points, and arguably the championship one year was deemed to have offered no competitive advantage. The difference was a matter of it being bolted in place rather than welded to the manifold as required by rules. It was purely an oversight. Accidental violation, no competitive advantage = violation, points and monetary fine. Deliberate circumvention of rule, competitive advantage = pee-pee slap. I just love consistent enforcement............. I'm kind of curious as to what Jeff Burton will say (if anything) about that deal. He's always going on about racing clean, and is always patting himself on his back about his integrity. He's so outspoken when others do things that can be interpreted as dirty, will he be so candid about his shitty drawers? Is it always a given that the driver knows what the crews have done to their cars, especially this kind of mechanical thing (as opposed to engines)? If not, I'd suspect Kevin knew and Jeff didn't. If the drivers always know, then I can't reconcile that knowledge with JB's comments throughout the season. N. |
doesn't know what crew has done. maybe behind the scenes the driver may
know.
mike..........
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"RobZip" <no time (AT) me (DOT) net> wrote in message news:MppPg.6552$t73.860 (AT) tornado (DOT) ohiordc.rr.com... It's been reported that in post race inspection, both the 29 & 31 cars were found to have modified bead areas on their wheels that allowed excess air pressure buildup to bleed off. There will be no points or monetary fines since this is deemed a 'gray area' not specifically addressed by the rules. I'm not so sure about that. Bleeder valves are specifically banned in NASCAR competition. Their purpose is to manipulate the air pressure in the tire once it has been mounted on the car. The laser cut slots in the RCR cars wheels was designed to circumvent that rule and manipulate air pressure once the wheel was mounted on the car. It is a definite competitive advantage. Other attempts to circumvent various rules for competitive advantage have resulted in monetary and point fines. Accidental violations that did not result in competitive advantage have been fined as well. Of the latter category, the manifold spacer that cost Mark Martin a fine, 25 points, and arguably the championship one year was deemed to have offered no competitive advantage. The difference was a matter of it being bolted in place rather than welded to the manifold as required by rules. It was purely an oversight. Accidental violation, no competitive advantage = violation, points and monetary fine. Deliberate circumvention of rule, competitive advantage = pee-pee slap. I just love consistent enforcement............. I'm kind of curious as to what Jeff Burton will say (if anything) about that deal. He's always going on about racing clean, and is always patting himself on his back about his integrity. He's so outspoken when others do things that can be interpreted as dirty, will he be so candid about his shitty drawers? |
for all those years he drove over there.
Burton is a clean racer on the track, behind closed doors i'll bet he's like
every other driver out there....if we get caught w/ an advantage, whether
it's in the car, on the car, or anything else i'm denying anything and
everything and laying it on the crew....afterall that's what crews are there
for.
mike............
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I just think that it's amusing that the self-proclaimed authority on how good and clean Na$car racing would only be if everybody acted as he did gets caught with cheater rims. The word: "hypocrite" comes to mind. And if Burton didn't know they were altering his rims, he's a damn fool for not knowing, although we all know that he knew. |
answered. Thanks.
N.
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"JerseyMike" <clamdigger724 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:QiCPg.176798$5i3.8713 (AT) bgtnsc04-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net... "Speeed Racer!" <wedontneedanysteenkingrelpies (AT) whodat (DOT) org> wrote in message news:NdzPg.8318$4a3.2113 (AT) trnddc07 (DOT) .. "RobZip" <no time (AT) me (DOT) net> wrote in message news:MppPg.6552$t73.860 (AT) tornado (DOT) ohiordc.rr.com... It's been reported that in post race inspection, both the 29 & 31 cars were found to have modified bead areas on their wheels that allowed excess air pressure buildup to bleed off. There will be no points or monetary fines since this is deemed a 'gray area' not specifically addressed by the rules. I'm not so sure about that. Bleeder valves are specifically banned in NASCAR competition. Their purpose is to manipulate the air pressure in the tire once it has been mounted on the car. The laser cut slots in the RCR cars wheels was designed to circumvent that rule and manipulate air pressure once the wheel was mounted on the car. It is a definite competitive advantage. Other attempts to circumvent various rules for competitive advantage have resulted in monetary and point fines. Accidental violations that did not result in competitive advantage have been fined as well. Of the latter category, the manifold spacer that cost Mark Martin a fine, 25 points, and arguably the championship one year was deemed to have offered no competitive advantage. The difference was a matter of it being bolted in place rather than welded to the manifold as required by rules. It was purely an oversight. Accidental violation, no competitive advantage = violation, points and monetary fine. Deliberate circumvention of rule, competitive advantage = pee-pee slap. I just love consistent enforcement............. I'm kind of curious as to what Jeff Burton will say (if anything) about that deal. He's always going on about racing clean, and is always patting himself on his back about his integrity. He's so outspoken when others do things that can be interpreted as dirty, will he be so candid about his shitty drawers? i'm sure everything in the Jack Roush organization was on the up and up too for all those years he drove over there. Burton is a clean racer on the track, behind closed doors i'll bet he's like every other driver out there....if we get caught w/ an advantage, whether it's in the car, on the car, or anything else i'm denying anything and everything and laying it on the crew....afterall that's what crews are there for. I just think that it's amusing that the self-proclaimed authority on how good and clean Na$car racing would only be if everybody acted as he did gets caught with cheater rims. The word: "hypocrite" comes to mind. And if Burton didn't know they were altering his rims, he's a damn fool for not knowing, although we all know that he knew. |
place. They attribute this "story" to an overzealous reporter who saw
nothing, yet created a story.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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"Speeed Racer!" <wedontneedanysteenkingrelpies (AT) whodat (DOT) org> wrote in message news:jICPg.7391$832.4176 (AT) trnddc04 (DOT) .. "JerseyMike" <clamdigger724 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:QiCPg.176798$5i3.8713 (AT) bgtnsc04-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net... "Speeed Racer!" <wedontneedanysteenkingrelpies (AT) whodat (DOT) org> wrote in message news:NdzPg.8318$4a3.2113 (AT) trnddc07 (DOT) .. "RobZip" <no time (AT) me (DOT) net> wrote in message news:MppPg.6552$t73.860 (AT) tornado (DOT) ohiordc.rr.com... It's been reported that in post race inspection, both the 29 & 31 cars were found to have modified bead areas on their wheels that allowed excess air pressure buildup to bleed off. There will be no points or monetary fines since this is deemed a 'gray area' not specifically addressed by the rules. I'm not so sure about that. Bleeder valves are specifically banned in NASCAR competition. Their purpose is to manipulate the air pressure in the tire once it has been mounted on the car. The laser cut slots in the RCR cars wheels was designed to circumvent that rule and manipulate air pressure once the wheel was mounted on the car. It is a definite competitive advantage. Other attempts to circumvent various rules for competitive advantage have resulted in monetary and point fines. Accidental violations that did not result in competitive advantage have been fined as well. Of the latter category, the manifold spacer that cost Mark Martin a fine, 25 points, and arguably the championship one year was deemed to have offered no competitive advantage. The difference was a matter of it being bolted in place rather than welded to the manifold as required by rules. It was purely an oversight. Accidental violation, no competitive advantage = violation, points and monetary fine. Deliberate circumvention of rule, competitive advantage = pee-pee slap. I just love consistent enforcement............. I'm kind of curious as to what Jeff Burton will say (if anything) about that deal. He's always going on about racing clean, and is always patting himself on his back about his integrity. He's so outspoken when others do things that can be interpreted as dirty, will he be so candid about his shitty drawers? i'm sure everything in the Jack Roush organization was on the up and up too for all those years he drove over there. Burton is a clean racer on the track, behind closed doors i'll bet he's like every other driver out there....if we get caught w/ an advantage, whether it's in the car, on the car, or anything else i'm denying anything and everything and laying it on the crew....afterall that's what crews are there for. I just think that it's amusing that the self-proclaimed authority on how good and clean Na$car racing would only be if everybody acted as he did gets caught with cheater rims. The word: "hypocrite" comes to mind. And if Burton didn't know they were altering his rims, he's a damn fool for not knowing, although we all know that he knew. Not so quick. According to Jayski, NASCAR denies such a discovery took place. They attribute this "story" to an overzealous reporter who saw nothing, yet created a story. |
"news stories" that end up being fabricated. The offending "reporter" is
probably just a ticked off Roush or Hendrick fan.lol
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Not so quick. According to Jayski, NASCAR denies such a discovery took place. They attribute this "story" to an overzealous reporter who saw nothing, yet created a story. |
Dillner and company were reporting it last night on Wind Tunnel..... Denial
here at Charlotte Observer:
http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/15549492.htm
NASCAR vice president Jim Hunter on Monday called a Speed TV report claiming
the sanctioning body found issues with the cars of Nextel Cup Series winner
Kevin Harvick or his Richard Childress Racing teammate Jeff Burton "sheer
fantasy."
Speed TV reporter Bob Dillner reported late Sunday at New Hampshire that
NASCAR officials had an issue with the wheel rims of both Harvick and
Burtons' Chevrolets.
In the report, Dillner said, "The team apparently manipulated that rim to
act as a bleeder valve to release air pressure from that rim. In English, it
was performance advantage for the RCR team."
Dillner went on to say the teams didn't break any rule, but "have been told
not to do it again."
Both NASCAR and RCR officials on Monday strongly denied the story.
Hunter denied anyone with either team was admonished about any questionable
part and said both cars "completely passed post race inspection." NASCAR
officials Sunday night also announced all cars had passed post race
inspection.
Team owner Richard Childress called the report "false and misleading."
"Our cars passed post-race inspection and officials at NASCAR assured us
last night and again today that no one from RCR was told at any time not to
bring a part back to the race track. The reported events and conversations
did not happen," Childress said.
Hunter said Dillner did not ask anyone with NASCAR about the issue before
his report aired. "If he had, we would have told him the same thing," Hunter
said.
"He didn't ask because he didn't want to know the answer. It was an example
of sensational journalism at its worst."
Speed Channel officials planned to address the matter later Monday
afternoon.
Pee-pee slap to Dillner for not verifying the facts with the sanctioning
body first. Or.. wait a minute.... what's that black helicopter doing
here...?
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Yup, Mike, just read that myself. And it doesn't surprise me in this era of "news stories" that end up being fabricated. The offending "reporter" is probably just a ticked off Roush or Hendrick fan.lol |
Tunnel. If Dillner didn't independently verify the story first - and it
appears he didn't - a simple apology for being had (like us) isn't going to
cut it. Journalists have a slightly higher standard of accountability for
the accuracy of their reports.
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote in message news:a0732$450eff23$471fbb8f$27868 (AT) ALLTEL (DOT) NET... Not so quick. According to Jayski, NASCAR denies such a discovery took place. They attribute this "story" to an overzealous reporter who saw nothing, yet created a story. If that is indeed the case, he sure took a lot of people in very quickly. Dillner and company were reporting it last night on Wind Tunnel..... Denial here at Charlotte Observer: http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/15549492.htm NASCAR vice president Jim Hunter on Monday called a Speed TV report claiming the sanctioning body found issues with the cars of Nextel Cup Series winner Kevin Harvick or his Richard Childress Racing teammate Jeff Burton "sheer fantasy." Speed TV reporter Bob Dillner reported late Sunday at New Hampshire that NASCAR officials had an issue with the wheel rims of both Harvick and Burtons' Chevrolets. In the report, Dillner said, "The team apparently manipulated that rim to act as a bleeder valve to release air pressure from that rim. In English, it was performance advantage for the RCR team." Dillner went on to say the teams didn't break any rule, but "have been told not to do it again." Both NASCAR and RCR officials on Monday strongly denied the story. Hunter denied anyone with either team was admonished about any questionable part and said both cars "completely passed post race inspection." NASCAR officials Sunday night also announced all cars had passed post race inspection. Team owner Richard Childress called the report "false and misleading." "Our cars passed post-race inspection and officials at NASCAR assured us last night and again today that no one from RCR was told at any time not to bring a part back to the race track. The reported events and conversations did not happen," Childress said. Hunter said Dillner did not ask anyone with NASCAR about the issue before his report aired. "If he had, we would have told him the same thing," Hunter said. "He didn't ask because he didn't want to know the answer. It was an example of sensational journalism at its worst." Speed Channel officials planned to address the matter later Monday afternoon. Pee-pee slap to Dillner for not verifying the facts with the sanctioning body first. Or.. wait a minute.... what's that black helicopter doing here...? |
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