RCR wheel mods

#21

"RobZip" <no time (AT) me (DOT) net> wrote

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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote in message
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Not so quick. According to Jayski, NASCAR denies such a discovery took
place. They attribute this "story" to an overzealous reporter who saw
nothing, yet created a story.

If that is indeed the case, he sure took a lot of people in very quickly.
Dillner and company were reporting it last night on Wind Tunnel.....
Denial here at Charlotte Observer:

http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/15549492.htm

NASCAR vice president Jim Hunter on Monday called a Speed TV report
claiming the sanctioning body found issues with the cars of Nextel Cup
Series winner Kevin Harvick or his Richard Childress Racing teammate Jeff
Burton "sheer fantasy."

Speed TV reporter Bob Dillner reported late Sunday at New Hampshire that
NASCAR officials had an issue with the wheel rims of both Harvick and
Burtons' Chevrolets.

In the report, Dillner said, "The team apparently manipulated that rim to
act as a bleeder valve to release air pressure from that rim. In English,
it was performance advantage for the RCR team."

Dillner went on to say the teams didn't break any rule, but "have been
told not to do it again."

Both NASCAR and RCR officials on Monday strongly denied the story.

Hunter denied anyone with either team was admonished about any
questionable part and said both cars "completely passed post race
inspection." NASCAR officials Sunday night also announced all cars had
passed post race inspection.

Team owner Richard Childress called the report "false and misleading."

"Our cars passed post-race inspection and officials at NASCAR assured us
last night and again today that no one from RCR was told at any time not
to bring a part back to the race track. The reported events and
conversations did not happen," Childress said.

Hunter said Dillner did not ask anyone with NASCAR about the issue before
his report aired. "If he had, we would have told him the same thing,"
Hunter said.

"He didn't ask because he didn't want to know the answer. It was an
example of sensational journalism at its worst."

Speed Channel officials planned to address the matter later Monday
afternoon.

Pee-pee slap to Dillner for not verifying the facts with the sanctioning
body first. Or.. wait a minute.... what's that black helicopter doing
here...?

Gee whiz, With all of that out of the way now, the fix, err, chase can now

proceed without the slightest hint of controversy..........< >
I really don't get into conspiracy theories, BUT for a fabricated story,
that sure was specific to detail, and entirely feasable.
It would help right after a tire change, because they wouldn't have to wait
for tire pressures to build up so they could start them off at higher
pressures. The pressures wouldn't get too high, so the car could run more
consistently over a long run.....uhh, kinda..., uh.....like Harvick has been
running lately........? Hmmmm....
If it were true, wow, it would sure put a black eye on Na$car, wouldn't it?
You know, Na$car inspectors missing something like that in plain view,
especially a team that has had soooo much success recently...
And Childress......, he's never been caught cheating before, has he?

Don't get all fired up at me you weenies, I'm just kidding about that whole
deal...............maybe.

Let's just see how the RCR boys run after this week, that should tell you
all you need to know about that situation.

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#22

"Nancy2" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote in
news:1158587880.596822.189970 (AT) i3g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com:

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I don't know the mechanics here, but it sounds as though this is a
worse violation of the "spirit" of competition than the Hendrick shock
deal was last year.

Had they actually done it, it would be more analogous to Knaus's
trick with the jack bolts at Daytona this year - the rules didn't
say you couldn't use the jack bolts to change the rear window shape,
but clearly it was a violation of the spirit of the template rules.

However, it's been denied, and I find the denials credible, because
I don't beleive the modifications described could produce a
predictable tire pressure. Maintaining a constant pressue is good,
but not when you have no idea what that pressure is going to be.

John

#23

"Crusader" <cru357 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

Serious allegations.
Why would Bob Dillner go so far out on a limb
to file a false report?
CRU

someone w/ enough credibility got to Dilner and and Dilner took the bait and
ran w/ it. now whether or not it was done on purpose to get back at Dilner
for something and make him look the fool, or if it was something said to
make the inspectors go over the #29 and #31 w/ a comb of a finer tooth, we
won't know. what ever it was Dilner should not have jumped the gun and
should have waited for final outcome and check the info.
i wonder if Dilner is such a pain in the ass in the pits that it was an
inspector that gave him the info. just to get him off his back and outta
there or if it was someone from another team as Harvick said it was to make
the inspectors break the cars down to nothing looking for some advantage.

mike............

#24

SimRacer wrote:

Quote:

Not so quick. According to Jayski, NASCAR denies such a discovery took
place. They attribute this "story" to an overzealous reporter who saw
nothing, yet created a story.

Yup, Mike, just read that myself. And it doesn't surprise me in this era of
"news stories" that end up being fabricated. The offending "reporter" is
probably just a ticked off Roush or Hendrick fan.lol

I have always thought Dillner to be a straight-up reporter and he's
been reporting from the pits for a long time. I would suspect somebody
from the Roush camp gave him the story, given JR's earlier comments
about how "Nascar was looking into [various] 'things' in the garage."

N.

#25

"RobZip" <no time (AT) me (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Yup, Mike, just read that myself. And it doesn't surprise me in this era
of
"news stories" that end up being fabricated. The offending "reporter" is
probably just a ticked off Roush or Hendrick fan.lol

Someone passed this to Bob Dillner at the track and he called it in on
Wind
Tunnel. If Dillner didn't independently verify the story first - and it
appears he didn't - a simple apology for being had (like us) isn't going
to
cut it. Journalists have a slightly higher standard of accountability for
the accuracy of their reports.

Yup, just read that it was Dilner. And also heard Harvick said he thought it
was a "plant". Don't know who to believe outside of the fact that a "slot"
or "hole" in a rim or tire will not do what they're reporting that it'll do.
I would not control the pressure, it would simply let the tire bleed down
until it was flat.

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#26

"Speeed Racer!" <wedontneedanysteekingreplies (AT) whodat (DOT) org> wrote

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"RobZip" <no time (AT) me (DOT) net> wrote in message
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:a0732$450eff23$471fbb8f$27868 (AT) ALLTEL (DOT) NET...
Not so quick. According to Jayski, NASCAR denies such a discovery took
place. They attribute this "story" to an overzealous reporter who saw
nothing, yet created a story.

If that is indeed the case, he sure took a lot of people in very
quickly.
Dillner and company were reporting it last night on Wind Tunnel.....
Denial here at Charlotte Observer:

http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/15549492.htm

NASCAR vice president Jim Hunter on Monday called a Speed TV report
claiming the sanctioning body found issues with the cars of Nextel Cup
Series winner Kevin Harvick or his Richard Childress Racing teammate
Jeff
Burton "sheer fantasy."

Speed TV reporter Bob Dillner reported late Sunday at New Hampshire that
NASCAR officials had an issue with the wheel rims of both Harvick and
Burtons' Chevrolets.

In the report, Dillner said, "The team apparently manipulated that rim
to
act as a bleeder valve to release air pressure from that rim. In
English,
it was performance advantage for the RCR team."

Dillner went on to say the teams didn't break any rule, but "have been
told not to do it again."

Both NASCAR and RCR officials on Monday strongly denied the story.

Hunter denied anyone with either team was admonished about any
questionable part and said both cars "completely passed post race
inspection." NASCAR officials Sunday night also announced all cars had
passed post race inspection.

Team owner Richard Childress called the report "false and misleading."

"Our cars passed post-race inspection and officials at NASCAR assured us
last night and again today that no one from RCR was told at any time not
to bring a part back to the race track. The reported events and
conversations did not happen," Childress said.

Hunter said Dillner did not ask anyone with NASCAR about the issue
before
his report aired. "If he had, we would have told him the same thing,"
Hunter said.

"He didn't ask because he didn't want to know the answer. It was an
example of sensational journalism at its worst."

Speed Channel officials planned to address the matter later Monday
afternoon.

Pee-pee slap to Dillner for not verifying the facts with the sanctioning
body first. Or.. wait a minute.... what's that black helicopter doing
here...?

Gee whiz, With all of that out of the way now, the fix, err, chase can
now
proceed without the slightest hint of controversy..........
I really don't get into conspiracy theories, BUT for a fabricated story,
that sure was specific to detail, and entirely feasable.

First strike, it is entirely NOT feasible.

Quote:

It would help right after a tire change, because they wouldn't have to
wait
for tire pressures to build up so they could start them off at higher
pressures. The pressures wouldn't get too high, so the car could run more
consistently over a long run.....uhh, kinda..., uh.....like Harvick has
been
running lately........? Hmmmm....

Strike 2. A tire or rim with a hole it in, will go flat. Plain and simple.
There has to be a stop measure in there or else all the "air" leaves the
tire, which makes it flat.

Quote:

If it were true, wow, it would sure put a black eye on Na$car, wouldn't
it?
You know, Na$car inspectors missing something like that in plain view,
especially a team that has had soooo much success recently...
And Childress......, he's never been caught cheating before, has he?

Yore out. All the above and below are based on the root of this story being
plausible, and it isn't.

Quote:

Don't get all fired up at me you weenies, I'm just kidding about that
whole
deal...............maybe.

Let's just see how the RCR boys run after this week, that should tell you
all you need to know about that situation.

#27

"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Strike 2. A tire or rim with a hole it in, will go flat. Plain and simple.
There has to be a stop measure in there or else all the "air" leaves the
tire, which makes it flat.

Really?
If you have a slit in a rim that is a few thousandths wide,
you figure that would go flat in 15- 20 minutes?

You've never had a slow leak?
One that takes a week to lose 10 pounds?

the trick is to have the release never exceed the amount
of potential buildup for a maximum number of green flag laps.

with what some of these teams have done/could do,
I would never say that something like that is impossible..

Sort of like when some of you guys used to say that you couldn't
hide traction control... because of the thinking that you couldn't hide
the wheel sensors.
Never thinking outside of that box..

the fact that you don't think some things can be done,
is why people find ways to do them...

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan

I got a new Matco tool box for my wife.
Best trade I ever made...

#28

"Chuck Steak" <Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Really?
If you have a slit in a rim that is a few thousandths wide,
you figure that would go flat in 15- 20 minutes?

You've never had a slow leak?
One that takes a week to lose 10 pounds?

the trick is to have the release never exceed the amount
of potential buildup for a maximum number of green flag laps.

with what some of these teams have done/could do,
I would never say that something like that is impossible..

Sort of like when some of you guys used to say that you couldn't
hide traction control... because of the thinking that you couldn't hide
the wheel sensors.
Never thinking outside of that box..

the fact that you don't think some things can be done,
is why people find ways to do them...

In order for it to even be effective, it would have to dump the extra

pressure built up within three to four laps. It would then have to maintain
that pressure (not lose it) for the remaining green flag run. The slow leak
theory doesn't play out. You could not dump enough of the pressure through
a slow leak to be effective so that the build up won't effect handling, and
then have it maintain a steady pressure for the remainder of the run. It
would take more than just cutting slits in the bead seat of a tire.

I have to ask anybody who doesn't believe this if they have ANY experience
dealing with tires and racing.

Carey in Manvel

#29

"Carey Akin" <cmakin (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote

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"Chuck Steak" <Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:9ZednZ5Oz-uV4o3YnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d (AT) rcn (DOT) net...

Really?
If you have a slit in a rim that is a few thousandths wide,
you figure that would go flat in 15- 20 minutes?

You've never had a slow leak?
One that takes a week to lose 10 pounds?

the trick is to have the release never exceed the amount
of potential buildup for a maximum number of green flag laps.

with what some of these teams have done/could do,
I would never say that something like that is impossible..

Sort of like when some of you guys used to say that you couldn't
hide traction control... because of the thinking that you couldn't hide
the wheel sensors.
Never thinking outside of that box..

the fact that you don't think some things can be done,
is why people find ways to do them...

In order for it to even be effective, it would have to dump the extra
pressure built up within three to four laps. It would then have to
maintain
that pressure (not lose it) for the remaining green flag run. The slow
leak
theory doesn't play out. You could not dump enough of the pressure
through
a slow leak to be effective so that the build up won't effect handling,
and
then have it maintain a steady pressure for the remainder of the run. It
would take more than just cutting slits in the bead seat of a tire.

I have to ask anybody who doesn't believe this if they have ANY experience
dealing with tires and racing.

Carey in Manvel

i've had tires that had slow leaks that when inflated to 35psi, slowly
leaked over a long peroid but they stopped leaking when the air pressure
got down far enough where the tire was flat.

mike..........

#30

"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

proceed without the slightest hint of controversy..........
I really don't get into conspiracy theories, BUT for a fabricated
story,
that sure was specific to detail, and entirely feasable.

First strike, it is entirely NOT feasible.

Actually Sim, it's really quite feasible.

Quote:

It would help right after a tire change, because they wouldn't have to
wait
for tire pressures to build up so they could start them off at higher
pressures. The pressures wouldn't get too high, so the car could run
more
consistently over a long run.....uhh, kinda..., uh.....like Harvick has
been
running lately........? Hmmmm....

Strike 2. A tire or rim with a hole it in, will go flat. Plain and simple.
There has to be a stop measure in there or else all the "air" leaves the
tire, which makes it flat.

A slit or a hole can indeed bleed down to some lesser pressure level and
then stop bleeding. It happens every day on cars all over the road. Slow
leaks around the bead (common to alloy wheels), punctures, etc. will leak
down to 12 pound (as an example), and stay there for long periods of time
whether just sitting or driving every day. The defect is such that it
requires a minimum amount of pressure to overcome the natural tendancy of
the rubber to remain contracted.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net