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Re: The Color of Crime, OT, offered as a reality check. -
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On Oct 8, 2:03*pm, "Vito" <v... (AT) cfl (DOT) rr.com> wrote: "Twibil" <nowayjo... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:0303d94d-7c51-4277-8a7d-4827a6894e13 (AT) y28g2000prd (DOT) googlegroups.com... Oddly enough, the colors of poverty are very similar. You don't suppose there could be a connecton there, do you? Sure! *Local paper was bragging that almost half of white 10th graders can now comprehend what they read, as can 1/3 of hispanic kids and 1/5 of bla ck kids - all thanks to "no child left behind". *Prolly some connection th ere too. Could there just be a wee tiny genetic factor involved re: intelligence? tt |
You seem to be on the same eugenics track as the racist authors of what
is a publication of the New Century Foundation, a front for Jared
Taylor who by any other name is a racist and white separatist.
He has links with far right, neofascist organizations, the KKK, The
Council of Conservative Citizens (or the KKK in CCC guise) and
individuals such as the fine upstanding racists David Duke and Don
Black of "Stormfront" fame.
For a little more on Jared Taylor check:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05023/446341.stm
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On 2009-10-08 17:01:11 -0700, martin <martin.secrest... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> said: On Oct 8, 2:03*pm, "Vito" <v... (AT) cfl (DOT) rr.com> wrote: "Twibil" <nowayjo... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:0303d94d-7c51-4277-8a7d-4827a6894e13 (AT) y28g2000prd (DOT) googlegroups.com.... Oddly enough, the colors of poverty are very similar. You don't suppose there could be a connecton there, do you? Sure! *Local paper was bragging that almost half of white 10th graders can now comprehend what they read, as can 1/3 of hispanic kids and 1/5 of bla ck kids - all thanks to "no child left behind". *Prolly some connectionth ere too. Could there just be a wee tiny genetic factor involved re: intelligence? tt You seem to be on the same eugenics track as the racist authors of what is a publication of the New Century Foundation, a front for Jared Taylor who by any other name is a racist and white separatist. He has links with far right, neofascist organizations, the KKK, The Council of Conservative Citizens (or the KKK in CCC guise) and individuals such as the fine upstanding racists David Duke and Don Black of "Stormfront" fame. For a little more on Jared Taylor check:http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05023/446341.stm -- Regards, Savageduck- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
99% of the population will sit at home and watch it on cable.
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You seem to be on the same eugenics track as the racist authors ... |
If one thinks that breeding has nothing to do with abilities then he should
try teaching border collies to point or german shorthairs to herd sheep.
If the same didn't apply to humans, there would typically be only one black
dude (10%) in a basketball game at a time.
To be "fair" (PC) guys like Valentio Rossi should be forced to gain 125
pounds to allow fatties to be competative.
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"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote You seem to be on the same eugenics track as the racist authors ... It's sad that eugenics got tied up in race arguements. |
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If one thinks that breeding has nothing to do with abilities then he should try teaching border collies to point or german shorthairs to herd sheep. If the same didn't apply to humans, there would typically be only one black dude (10%) in a basketball game at a time. To be "fair" (PC) guys like Valentio Rossi should be forced to gain 125 pounds to allow fatties to be competative. |
concept. The entire premise which started this thread is blatantly
racist, and the racist leanings of some who have added their comments
is obvious.
PC has nothing to do with this, your first example relates to behavior
traits of specific canine breeds, which hs nothing to do with racial or
cultural differences in Homo sapiens.
Examples two and three are silly, as far as basketball goes, certainly
there is a larger group of black players IN THE USA. If you look to
other countries such as Estonia or Greece and Italy where they have
teams who have competed successfully against US squads, blacks are
conspicuous in their absence. If you are going to be ridiculous, you
might as well have suggested that all Basketball players over 6 ft tall
play on their knees.
Motorcycle racing, like F1 and Thorobred Horseracing is very
specialized and low weight is critical, just as being tall is
advantageous for the basketball player. What would you suggest to
equalise the competition for another specialist, the sumo wrestler.
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"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote You seem to be on the same eugenics track as the racist authors ... It's sad that eugenics got tied up in race arguements. What is sad, is the racist bigoted thinking which still exists today. |
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If one thinks that breeding has nothing to do with abilities then he should try teaching border collies to point or german shorthairs to herd sheep. If the same didn't apply to humans, there would typically be only one black dude (10%) in a basketball game at a time. To be "fair" (PC) guys like Valentio Rossi should be forced to gain 125 pounds to allow fatties to be competative. Political correctness as a means to stop from offending is a stupid concept. The entire premise which started this thread is blatantly racist, and the racist leanings of some who have added their comments is obvious. PC has nothing to do with this, your first example relates to behavior traits of specific canine breeds, which hs nothing to do with racial or cultural differences in Homo sapiens. |
despite their obvious differences??? Never mind that some domesticated
local equines and even elephants and went to the moon whilst others did not.
BTW there is only one human race.
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Examples two and three are silly, as far as basketball goes, certainly there is a larger group of black players IN THE USA. |
altho a greater percentage of black kids may enjoy basketball many more
(numericaly) white kids play too. Fact is, white kids can't jump <g>.
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other countries such as Estonia or Greece and Italy where they have teams who have competed successfully against US squads, blacks are conspicuous in their absence. |
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If you are going to be ridiculous, you might as well have suggested that all Basketball players over 6 ft tall play on their knees. |
Companies have been charged with prejudice for having less than 12% of
rocket scientists black.
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Motorcycle racing, like F1 and Thorobred Horseracing is very specialized and low weight is critical, just as being tall is advantageous for the basketball player. What would you suggest to equalise the competition for another specialist, the sumo wrestler. your thinking is convoluted. I simply say that if some corporations and |
apply across the board; to pro sports as well. I.e., if a company must have
1 in 8 engineers and executives black then pro basketball should have 7 in 8
white - right? Same PC thinking.
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"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote "Vito" <vito (AT) cfl (DOT) rr.com> said: "Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote You seem to be on the same eugenics track as the racist authors ... It's sad that eugenics got tied up in race arguements. What is sad, is the racist bigoted thinking which still exists today. yes. If one thinks that breeding has nothing to do with abilities then he should try teaching border collies to point or german shorthairs to herd sheep. If the same didn't apply to humans, there would typically be only one black dude (10%) in a basketball game at a time. To be "fair" (PC) guys like Valentio Rossi should be forced to gain 125 pounds to allow fatties to be competative. Political correctness as a means to stop from offending is a stupid concept. The entire premise which started this thread is blatantly racist, and the racist leanings of some who have added their comments is obvious. PC has nothing to do with this, your first example relates to behavior traits of specific canine breeds, which hs nothing to do with racial or cultural differences in Homo sapiens. And you suppose that human 'breeds' all have the same behavior traits despite their obvious differences??? Never mind that some domesticated local equines and even elephants and went to the moon whilst others did not. BTW there is only one human race. |
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Examples two and three are silly, as far as basketball goes, certainly there is a larger group of black players IN THE USA. That is simply untrue. Blacks are some 12% of out population (1 in 8) so, altho a greater percentage of black kids may enjoy basketball many more (numericaly) white kids play too. Fact is, white kids can't jump <g>. |
black players, so what?
They didn't make those teams because of a quota, they made it on talent
and hard work. The nature of basketball in this country makes it
accessible to many the black kids in the inner cities.
By the same token you don't find too many black kids being placed on
swim teams in the US because of some sort of ethnic balance requirement.
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other countries such as Estonia or Greece and Italy where they have teams who have competed successfully against US squads, blacks are conspicuous in their absence. I haven't seen any such teams compete successfully against US pros. |
market is here.
NBA teams have recruited players from Lituania, Estonia, Italy,
Australia, Greece, Russia, Argentinia, and China to name a few.
At an International level with competition outside the NBA, such as the
Olympics and Pan-American Games, the US team was not always successful
even when stacked with NBA stars.
I give you the following Olympic gold medalists:
1972, The Soviet Union(USA Silver)
1988, Soviet Union, Yugoslavia Silver (USA Bronze)
2004, the most embarassing with an all NBA all star "dream" team,
Argentina Gold, Italy Silver,(USA Bronze).
In the World Championship Basketball Tournament, held every 4 years
since 1950 the USA has only won Gold 3 times, being beaten by
Argenitina, Brasil x2, The Soviet Union x3, Yugoslavia x5, and Spain.
The most embarrassing being in 2002 in Indianapolis where we as the
host country failed to medal. We also failed to medal in 1963, 1967,
1970 & 1978.
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If you are going to be ridiculous, you might as well have suggested that all Basketball players over 6 ft tall play on their knees. That is exactly what some of our PC laws propose regarding other traits. Companies have been charged with prejudice for having less than 12% of rocket scientists black. |
best qualified for the position.
The Labour Laws merely state that hiring cannot be based on race,
ethnicity, religion, gender, disability or political bias, provided
minimum qualifications are met.
An unsuccessful candidate for any job might claim prejudice, but the
employer has the freedom to employee the qualified candidate of their
choice.
Where I agree with you is some of the ethnic balance policies found in
State Universities and Colleges, and many Federal and State agencies.
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Motorcycle racing, like F1 and Thorobred Horseracing is very specialized and low weight is critical, just as being tall is advantageous for the basketball player. What would you suggest to equalise the competition for another specialist, the sumo wrestler. your thinking is convoluted. I simply say that if some corporations and schools are required by law to have 'racial balance' then the same should apply across the board; to pro sports as well. I.e., if a company must have 1 in 8 engineers and executives black then pro basketball should have 7 in 8 white - right? Same PC thinking. |
Schools and government agencies are a different issue.
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"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message Again cite the Laws requiring corporations to maintain any ethnic balance. Schools and government agencies are a different issue. Any construction job that gets any federal funds have to hire a certain number of minorities. |
condition of bid.
However it should be simple to cite the Law which compeles corporations
to maintain an ethnic/racial/minority balance for other than those
Federally funded projects.
FLSA and EEO Laws, codes and requirements are spelt out, and are
misunderstood by many to mean an ethic balance should be maintained.
They do not.
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Certainly Pro basketball in the US is disproportionally populated with black players, so what? They didn't make those teams because of a quota, they made it on talent and hard work. |
for herding is inherited. .
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By the same token you don't find too many black kids being placed on swim teams in the US because of some sort of ethnic balance requirement. |
jobs to achieve ethnic balance, which harms blacks who deserved their jobs.
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other countries such as Estonia or Greece and Italy where they have teams who have competed successfully against US squads, blacks are conspicuous in their absence. I haven't seen any such teams compete successfully against US pros. The NBA have not actively looked for competition outside the US, their market is here. NBA teams have recruited players from Lituania, Estonia, Italy, Australia, Greece, Russia, Argentinia, and China to name a few. At an International level with competition outside the NBA, such as the Olympics and Pan-American Games, the US team was not always successful even when stacked with NBA stars. I give you the following Olympic gold medalists: 1972, The Soviet Union(USA Silver) 1988, Soviet Union, Yugoslavia Silver (USA Bronze) 2004, the most embarassing with an all NBA all star "dream" team, Argentina Gold, Italy Silver,(USA Bronze). In the World Championship Basketball Tournament, held every 4 years since 1950 the USA has only won Gold 3 times, being beaten by Argenitina, Brasil x2, The Soviet Union x3, Yugoslavia x5, and Spain. The most embarrassing being in 2002 in Indianapolis where we as the host country failed to medal. We also failed to medal in 1963, 1967, 1970 & 1978. |
players at the same saleries US players get and the preponderence of black
players in NBA would disappear.
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| If you are going to be ridiculous, you might as well have suggested that all Basketball players over 6 ft tall play on their knees. That is exactly what some of our PC laws propose regarding other traits. Companies have been charged with prejudice for having less than 12% of rocket scientists black. Cite the Law which requires any company to hire anybody other than the best qualified for the position. The Labour Laws merely state that hiring cannot be based on race, ethnicity, religion, gender, disability or political bias, provided minimum qualifications are met. An unsuccessful candidate for any job might claim prejudice, but the employer has the freedom to employee the qualified candidate of their choice. |
percent of blacks (or hispanic, or ... ) in a given job catagory is less
than the percentage in the population.
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Where I agree with you is some of the ethnic balance policies found in State Universities and Colleges, and many Federal and State agencies. Motorcycle racing, like F1 and Thorobred Horseracing is very specialized and low weight is critical, just as being tall is advantageous for the basketball player. What would you suggest to equalise the competition for another specialist, the sumo wrestler. your thinking is convoluted. I simply say that if some corporations and schools are required by law to have 'racial balance' then the same should apply across the board; to pro sports as well. I.e., if a company must have 1 in 8 engineers and executives black then pro basketball should have 7 in 8 white - right? Same PC thinking. Again cite the Laws requiring corporations to maintain any ethnic balance. Schools and government agencies are a different issue. It's not the laws, it is jurisprudence. I've experienced it in defense |
It isn't my job to find cites for you - stay ignorant if you wish.
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"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote Certainly Pro basketball in the US is disproportionally populated with black players, so what? They didn't make those teams because of a quota, they made it on talent and hard work. Absolutely! And much of that talent is inherited just as a collie's talent for herding is inherited. |
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By the same token you don't find too many black kids being placed on swim teams in the US because of some sort of ethnic balance requirement. But one does find blacks placed in engineering, scientific and management jobs to achieve ethnic balance, which harms blacks who deserved their jobs. |
named are qualified and deserve their jobs, many of the "tokens" of the
60's & 70's were weeded out by attrition or were shelved by the "Peter
Principle." Today minorities and women have, their positions in the
type of job you describe on merit. That is not to say there are no
bastions of sheltered employment, particularly in Municipal, State &
Federal lower echelon jobs.
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SouthAfrican/Canadian; Andrea Bargnani, Italian; Dirk Nowitzki, German;
Pau Gasol, Spain; Andrew Bogul, Australia; Nathan Jawai, Australian;
Yao Ming, China; Peja Stojakovic, Serbia; Andrei Kirilenko, Russian;
Brazilians Leandreo Barbosa, Anderson Varejao & Nene; Zydrunas
Ligauskas, Lithuania; Tim Duncan, US Virgin Islands, Manu Ginobili,
Argentina, Tony Parker, France, Andreas Nocioni, Argentina; Drazen
Petrovic & Toni Kukoc, Croatia; Vlade Divac, Serbia; Arvydas Sabonis &
Sarunas Marciulionis Lithuania; Dietlif Schrempf, Germany, just for
starters
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against is difficult, if hiring was based on qualification and merit.
If the minority's qualifications and/or performance record are superior
to a candidate who was hired, then he might have a sound argument.
The bottom line is, it is a myth that an employer is compeled to hire
the minority regardless of qualification.
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Where I agree with you is some of the ethnic balance policies found in State Universities and Colleges, and many Federal and State agencies. Motorcycle racing, like F1 and Thorobred Horseracing is very specialized and low weight is critical, just as being tall is advantageous for the basketball player. What would you suggest to equalise the competition for another specialist, the sumo wrestler. your thinking is convoluted. I simply say that if some corporations and schools are required by law to have 'racial balance' then the same should apply across the board; to pro sports as well. I.e., if a company must have 1 in 8 engineers and executives black then pro basketball should have 7 in 8 white - right? Same PC thinking. Again cite the Laws requiring corporations to maintain any ethnic balance. Schools and government agencies are a different issue. It's not the laws, it is jurisprudence. I've experienced it in defense contracting. It isn't my job to find cites for you - stay ignorant if you wish. |
was overturned.
As far as cites go, it is your claim, provide the cites to support your claim.
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