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Re: Engines Costs???
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Re: Engines Costs??? -
10-30-2009
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Been watching Speed Channel today for truck qual and the subject of engine purchase came up. I know leasing engines is one aspect but, how much does a team have to pay to purchase an engine in truck, busch, and sprint? If you can own the engine, why lease or rent. If you are leasing or renting who pays for the rebuild each week? |
I beleive.
A season long lease program from the likes of Hendrick or Yates
is around $1 million.
A typical lease program gets you a commitment of 2 fresh engines
per race date - one breaks, you're guaranteed there'll be a
replacement. Plus some level of tuning/setup help at the track.
John
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:29:44 -0500, John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com wrote: Tim Shelton <noemail1543 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in news:bumme5hjtn3ervjhgm8d5tf2lclflvd9as (AT) ccr (DOT) org: Been watching Speed Channel today for truck qual and the subject of engine purchase came up. I know leasing engines is one aspect but, how much does a team have to pay to purchase an engine in truck, busch, and sprint? If you can own the engine, why lease or rent. If you are leasing or renting who pays for the rebuild each week? Buying a Cup legal engine will set you back around $40k or $50k, I beleive. A season long lease program from the likes of Hendrick or Yates is around $1 million. A typical lease program gets you a commitment of 2 fresh engines per race date - one breaks, you're guaranteed there'll be a replacement. Plus some level of tuning/setup help at the track. John So I guess the next question, if you are not a high dollar team, I guess the answer is buy or build from scratch. Seems to me building from scratch might be a way to go and cut what appears to be some significant cost corners. If you happen to know about building an engine, seems that would be the way to go. |
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Been watching Speed Channel today for truck qual and the subject of engine purchase came up. I know leasing engines is one aspect but, how much does a team have to pay to purchase an engine in truck, busch, and sprint? If you can own the engine, why lease or rent. If you are leasing or renting who pays for the rebuild each week? |
second engine if you blow up number 1.
Think it costs about 75k per race for a really cheap engine lease deal on a
one off basis.
I must have missed a little bit from that comment about the "spec engines"
on Speed today. I was struggling to understand how it meant one off family
teams could just buy a chassis and "throw in an engine" suddenly that they
cant afford to do now.
Did he mean the same engines are going to be used for ARCA and TRUCK or
something like that? And why are these spec engines suddenly cheaper? They
didn't mean a single manufacturer did they??
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Chad
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So I guess the next question, if you are not a high dollar team, I guess the answer is buy or build from scratch. Seems to me building from scratch might be a way to go and cut what appears to be some significant cost corners. If you happen to know about building an engine, seems that would be the way to go. |
of machining involved, you need expensive machines to do it, and
you have to be very precise to be within the rules (you could ask
Carl Long about that one). It's a lot cheaper to buy.
The problem, of course, is that an engine is only good for one
race, then it needs to be rebuilt, which is just about as expensive
as buying a new one. If you're a low-budget team, you can't
afford a new engine every race. So the solution is to only run
maybe 40 or 50 laps. That way you get 4 or 5, maybe 6 races out
of an engine. And you save on tires.
If you didn't have to worry about qualifying, you could build, or
buy, a lower spec engine, and save a bunch. A couple of years ago
when we first got thin fields a couple of guys, like Kirk Shelmerdine,
did that. Now you need pretty much full power to have a shot at
qualifying.
John
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:02:52 +1100, "Chad" <cbstun (AT) safemail (DOT) com wrote: Tim Shelton wrote: Been watching Speed Channel today for truck qual and the subject of engine purchase came up. I know leasing engines is one aspect but, how much does a team have to pay to purchase an engine in truck, busch, and sprint? If you can own the engine, why lease or rent. If you are leasing or renting who pays for the rebuild each week? Depends on the deal you do. But most come with a mechanic and coverage for a second engine if you blow up number 1. Think it costs about 75k per race for a really cheap engine lease deal on a one off basis. I must have missed a little bit from that comment about the "spec engines" on Speed today. I was struggling to understand how it meant one off family teams could just buy a chassis and "throw in an engine" suddenly that they cant afford to do now. Did he mean the same engines are going to be used for ARCA and TRUCK or something like that? And why are these spec engines suddenly cheaper? They didn't mean a single manufacturer did they?? I too did not fully understand the dialog today on Speed but, what I did take from it was family teams would have a more affordable chance with the ability to pull and engine from something like a truck series vehicle and put it into a busch car, or something like that. The jist was, NASCAR would allow cross platform standardization of engine specs so small teams could use the same engine across racing platforms. I might be wrong but, that what it sounded like to me. If that is the case, seems it would save money but, how many family teams are racing truck and busch? |
I'm not sure how many in Trucks but there is a couple still struggling along
in Nationwide I can think of. Brian Kesolowski, Derick Cope, Johnny Davis.
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Chad
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Based on your response, I would assume NASCAR specs the shape and weight of things like a piston rod. |
head, that manifold, etc). Some have max & min dimensions or
weights, etc, specified. Some have restrictions on where or
what kind of machining you're allowed to do.
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I would think as long as the engine displacement meets NASCAR spec, what goes on beyond that should belong to the team, drop that set of rules. |
NASCAR has embraced since Mike Helton took charge.
John
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