There are a lot in here that never got the Memo.....Like, not posting OT
posts??? Yet, you get upset over a Nascar related post?


"zenit" <zenit (AT) thepressroom (DOT) com> wrote

Um, apparently *you* didn't understand it, because it doesn't say any such
thing. What's prohibited is inappropriate and/or off-topic posting. Here's
the direct quote:
" eBay users may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) to
advertise eBay or an eBay listing that is inappropriate or violates the
Usenet board policy."

"Advertise Ebay" means, well, "advertise Ebay"- it's against the rules to
advertise the service itself. "EBay listing that is inappropriate" means
either a listing for an item that's OT for the group, or a listing that's
considered inappropriate to EBay itself.
As to the last clause - "violates the USENET board policy"- I couldn't
find the FAQ for your group, but I've been on a number of USENET groups (not
this one; dog training, photography, and book groups ) for about eight
years, and even if the charter prohibits "spam", nobody minds the occasional
brief, on-topic FA post from a private seller. To be clear- I am a POSTER
on those groups, and none of us minds when a private seller puts up a quick
"hey, you guys might be interested in this" post.
Since my boss decided to clear out some of the odds and ends we've got
around the shop, I've put listings like the one you're objecting to on quite
a few NGs (depending on what we're selling), and nobody has minded those,
either. I used to post first and ask "Does anybody mind quick FA posts",
and maybe I should have done so this time, but you're the first person in
six months and about 10 NGs to have an issue with it.
Sorry to get your knickers in such a twist for thinking maybe somebody on
this group might like to take a look at the little cars.

"RidgebackAuto" <Ridgeback (AT) cavtel (DOT) net> wrote


Just so's you know, zenit is not the only one that feels this way about
advertising on the r.a.s.n group. This group, like our country (USA), has a
silent majority. And I think the majority here really doesn't care for FA or
FS ads. You did at least put FA in the subject, but this group is not a
'marketplace' newsgroup or 'forsale' newsgroup. And don't give me stats, I
peruse a lot of groups and most all of them dislike sales ads so you must be
looking at the wrong newsgroups. Either that or you're referring to
marketplace or forsale groups to begin with and THAT is where this stuff
belongs...and the reason you haven' heard much about it is that most people
have huffed and puffed about people hawking stuff here and in other
newsgroups until they're blue in the face tired of it.

Do like everyone else and setup a website, then advertise that through
search engine submissions. Ebay has become the scourge of the internet IMHO.

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:09:17 -0400, "RidgebackAuto"
<Ridgeback (AT) cavtel (DOT) net> wrote:


Here you go, and every ebay or Fr Sale ad here _WILL_ be
reported!


FYI: Here's the rec.autos.sport hierarchy guidlines and charter.
Granted it
was last updated when the Pentium 60 and 66 were state of the art, and
broadband was an ISDN connection.

Posting-Frequency: every 7 days
Last-modified: 10th February 1995
Version: 1.1


Welcome to the rec.autos.sport hierarchy. This is a set of newsgroups
dedicated to the discussion of motorsport.

This message will be posted every 7 days to rec.autos.sport.info,
rec.autos.sport.tech, rec.autos.sport.nascar, rec.autos.sport.f1,
rec.autos.sport.indy and rec.autos.sport.misc. It has some guidelines
on posting to these newsgroups as well as instructions on how to
obtain
the FAQ list of Frequently Asked Questions.


1. NETTIQUETTE

A lot of people read these newsgroups - over 100,000 at the latest
estimate. Some readers are restricted to tortuously slow connections.
Some people pay for their connect time by the minute. Other people
just
like to read news when the Net is running slowly. When you post,
please
ask yourself questions like:


1.1 The Content of Your Post

o Are you discussing `organised, legal auto competitions' ?
rec.autos.sport.* is _not_ for discussion of roadgoing `sports
cars'.

o Would it be better to post to rec.autos.sport.misc,
rec.autos.sport.info,
rec.autos.sport.tech or rec.autos.sport.nascar ? The charters for
these newsgroups are listed in section 2.

o Is a cross posted article is directly relevant to all of the
groups
where it will appear ? It is usually wrong to cross post an
article
to both rec.autos.sport.misc and one of the other subgroups
(eg r.a.s.tech or r.a.s.nascar).

o It is perfectly legal to reproduce short extracts of a copyrighted
work for critical purposes, but reproduction in whole is strictly
and
explicitly forbidden by international and US copyright law
unless given permission by the author.


1.2 The Style of Your Post

o Would you want to read what you are writing ? Might it be better
to
email a comment, or even make no comment ? Spelling and grammar
flames are particularly dull for the rest of the world, as are
posts
which follow fifty lines of quoted text with "I agreei".

o On the Net, most people only know you by the words that you write.
People will pay more attention to your thoughts if your writing is
clear and easy to read.

o Trim down your quotes. Delete parts of the article that you are
not
responding to such as other people's signatures. Its best to have
as
little as possible from previous posts.

o Humour, and particularly sarcasm, is often misunderstood over the
Net
with hilarious consequences. A smily, :-), may be advisable.


1.3 Practicalities

o Is the subject line both descriptive and accurate ?

o People can select the articles which most appeal to them if you
have
a keyword in the subject field like F1, INDYCAR, NHRA, WRC, F3000,
IMSA etc. I think ADMIN is good for any posts which discuss the
day-to-day running of the group, splitting the group, or revising
the
charter.

o Please try to keep the lines in the main text of your posts to
fewer
than 80 characters per line. When lines are longer than this, it
becomes difficult to read with many news readers. 72 characters
per
line is a good length, since it allows others to quote you without
running over 80 characters.

o If you are following up an article to create a new article, please
remember to delete the References: line in the header. This will
help
the readers who use a threaded news reader; otherwise your new
topic
will be mixed in with an old one.

o Please do not post large binary files like GIFs, JPEGs, MPEGs or
WAVs
to rec.autos.sport.* They will fill the Usenet disk partitions at
some sites. Some people cannot select which articles they want
before they have to download them. It is much better to post them
to one of the alt.binaries.* newsgroups with a short post to
rec.autos.sport.* to notify anyone who is interested.


1.4 Spoilers

o If you are going to post about a race before some people will have
had the chance to watch it on television, say within 48 hours of
the
race, please put (spoiler) in the Subject: line and don't give
away
the result. You might also want to give people a chance to quit
reading your message before you give them the news. The most
reliable
way of doing this is with at least 24 blank lines. ^L page breaks
(hold the control key and press l) do not work for some
newsreaders.

o If you have not yet seen the race, a day after it was on TV, and
you
really don't want to know who won, please abstain from r.a.s for a
day. Even if everyone goes by the guidelines, there are always new
people who won't know about them.

o If someone posts results without a spoiler warning, do not post a
public flame. Mail a reasonably civil email note to that person
requesting that they use (spoiler) in the future.


1.5 Handling Frequently Asked Questions

o If you are asking a basic question, please check the FAQ first. If
the FAQ is has expired on your system, see section 3 for
information
on how to get a copy.

o If someone posts a question about something that was resolved
recently, please answer the poster via email. Rehashing something
that was just discussed is a waste of bandwidth unless you have
something new to add.

o Many news reading programs allow you to filter the articles in a
newsgroup to ignore articles from a particular author or on
certain
subjects using a KILL file. If you're using rn or its brethren,
see
the rn KILL file FAQ in news.answers. Some lines that you might
like
in your KILL file for rec.autos.sport.* are:

/Subject: New Users - Read Me First/h:j
/Subject: rec\.autos\.sport FAQ.* /h:j
/From: .*A\.H\. Henry/h:j


2. CHARTERS

2.1 rec.autos.sport

This unmoderated group is for discussion of legal, organised
competition
involving automobiles. Discussion from either of two viewpoints,
spectator and participant, is encouraged. Technical discussions are
generally more appropriately carried on in rec.autos.sport.tech, and
NASCAR (and other professional stock car racing) is discussed in
rec.autos.sport.nascar. Arguments about sports cars are largely
inappropriate, as are most other discussions. For Sale ads are
inappropriate unless they are for competition vehicles and/or
equipment.
Discussions of illegal events are marginal; one should probably avoid
advocating breaking the law. (remember, the FBI reads Usenet!)


2.2 rec.autos.sport.misc

Replaces rec.autos.sport as the group in which discussion of
organized, legal motor racing that does not fall within the category
of one of the sub-groups takes places. Now that rec.autos.sport.misc
has passed, rec.autos.sport will be removed in three months, allowing
time for traffic to move to the new groups.


2.3 rec.autos.sport.info

This is a moderated group which contains announcements, results,
standings, news items, press releases, schedules, `reliable' rumours,
and other information about automotive racing. No discussion is
permitted; followups are be directed to rec.autos.sport.


2.4 rec.autos.sport.tech

An unmoderated group for discussions about the technical aspects of
racing cars. Discussions that are appropriate for this group include
F1/Indy engines, restrictor plates, aerodynamics, semi-automatic
transmissions, exotic fuels, carbon vs steel brakes, active
suspension,
chassis construction etc.


2.5 rec.autos.sport.f1

Anything to do with Formula 1 motor racing, including but not limited
to race results, times from testing, practice, and qualifying, silly
season predictions, rumours, and news. Discussion of teams, drivers,
cars, engines, rules, safety are also in the charter.


2.6 rec.autos.sport.indy

All Indy Car racing related discussion, including but not limited
to race results, times from testing, practice, and qualifying, silly
season predictions, rumours, and news. Discussion of teams, drivers,
cars, engines, rules, safety are also in the charter.


2.7 rec.autos.sport.nascar

This unmoderated group is for discussions about all aspects of
professional stock car racing, especially the NASCAR (Winston Cup and
Grand National) but also series such as CASCAR and AUSCAR.

--
Andrew Henry
A.H.Henry (AT) bath (DOT) ac.uk Frequently Asked Questions for rec.autos.sport
v1.4,
University of Bath, UK Gilles Villeneuve Appreciation & Bicycle
Lights FAQ.
Sempre Gilles
<URL:http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bspahh/home.html>


\\/ayne //\ann

And you must have missed the post where I do not give a fuck about top
posting. IN fact, if it makes you that nuts, then its all good...

And, if I want to post something for sale, I can do it. Period. You do not
own or dictate this NG.....Where is your getting pissed at the PETA post
above? NOTHING to do with Nascar

"zenit" <zenit (AT) thepressroom (DOT) com> wrote

There is no marketplace newsgroup, and, this charter says Nascar items for
sale...

I find it odd that you people get pissed at a FS post every other week, yet,
respond and keep OT threads going hourly


"SimRacer" <no-unc.tarheel.fan (AT) mindspring (DOT) com-spam> wrote

"wayne mann" <tpdl (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote

SNIPPED FOR WASTE OF SPACE

I do not know whats worse, worrying about a FS post, or you actually have
that charter saved somewhere on your PC, and taking up space reposting it.

WC Champ_20_Rules wrote:
What is FA? Is that Chinese? Faw Asale.
--
__________________________
It ain't rocket science:
Go Fast. Turn Left.

WC Champ_20_Rules wrote:
Good grief.......... would you please shut up about it already?

I do not know whats worse, worrying about a FS post, or you actually
have that charter saved somewhere on your PC, and taking up space
reposting it.
```````````````````````````````

Do not concern yourself worrying about Mr. Mann. I am the one who
salvaged the RASN Charter, cleaned up the format as best I could, and
posted it. No need for anyone to waste storage space, that is what
Google is for. Mr. Mann is as free as anyone to cut, paste, and post it
here.

Beating what is left of this dead horse's carcass with exhausting and
unrelenting contributions to the subject is -your- obnoxious obsession.