"Billy Ryman" <bryman (AT) scanrg (DOT) net> wrote

It's the same thing as going a lap down. IIRC, the 17 lost that lap, then
got the lucky dog, which "caught him up".

SimRacer wrote:
Correct. If you run 107 laps along with the rest of the field, but 1
isn't scored, it's just the same as if you only ran 106 laps, and were
a lap down.
Kenseth actually completed 1 more lap than the rest of the field.

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WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" <IllustriousPotentate (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Not really. He only went a lap down on paper and he was given the lap back
on paper. He actually ran the same number of laps as everyone else.

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-Mike-
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Mike Marlow wrote:
No, he ran one more lap. On the Xth lap, whenever he received the black
and white flag, that lap that he ran after he received it and before he
got to the pits, wasn't scored. That was his Xth lap, but since he
wasn't scored for it, he was still at X-1 laps.

Pretend that the "-" is the non scored lap, when they threw the black
and white flag.

A B
A B
A B
A B
A B
A -
A B
A B

Car A ran 8 scored laps, and Car B ran 7 scored laps and one lap that
was unscored, so B would be 1 lap down, despite having run 8 laps,
because 1 wasn't scored.

So for Kenseth to have been on the lead lap at the end of the race, he
would have had to run every lap that the leaders did. However, because
of the one lap under the black and white flag that wasn't scored, he
ran an additional, unscored lap on the field.

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In your example above - the two cars aren't even on the same lap without the
penalty. This is not what happened Sunday. They were on the same lap and
Kenseth went unscored for one lap - though he *did* run that lap with
everyone else. Being unscored, he was now technically, one lap down. When
he got the Lucky Dog-crap Lap back, he was automatically moved back up to
the lead lap without having to move one inch on the track. He was now back
on the same lap as the leaders.

In your example above, Car B would be 2 laps down. He ran 7 instead of the
8 that Car A ran, and then he went unscored - that's two laps down. That's
not what happened Sunday.

He did run every lap. They eliminated one from the scoring and then they
placed him back on the lead lap. X - 1 + 1 = X.

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-Mike-
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Mike Marlow wrote:
No, in a lucky dog, the car that gets it's lap back, will, when 1 to go
is given, pass the leader and pace car, then go around and catch up to
the rear of the field.It's not just taking the scorecard and putting
laps +1. The lucky dog car actually has to pass the leader and pace car
under caution, which puts them back on the lead lap.


Look at it again, please. The - is an unscored lap--the lap that was
run under the black and white flag. A ran 8 scored laps, as did B, but
one of B's was unscored. So B is one lap down.

That's reliant on your assumption that the lucky dog is nothing more
than adding +1 on the scorecard. It isn't.

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You are correct on that point - I stand corrected.


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