Re: Open Wheel Racing

#11

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Does the Troll-O-Meter give negative readings, or is the OP just a big fat
zero?

The latter. 'Tis the season, I guess...

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Check out the new model - goes down to -20. Still, there are trolls
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#12

Chuck Steak wrote:

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In article Invisibrarian <no.spam (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

Or maybe, you just didn't make a point again or obscured it again.

I'm not as good at relating what I think,
to what I write as you are, that's all.

Usually students start to get more coherent writing styles as they get
farther along in school. So in a couple of years, you'll start to improve.

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I thought the point was clear enough.
That driving cars, no matter what type,
is different than 'racing' cars..
Some drive easeir than others, to some degree,
but when taking that car to the edge, with others doing the same,
it's a different story.
Tracks like Indy (for IRL cars), or Dega, (for stockers),
may not necessarily be 'prime' examples.. and there are
always exceptions.. but IRL cars, at Richmond, for example,
are probably not 'easier' to race, than a stocker..

Reread my earlier post. They are easier. They just crank in more aero.
As long as the wheels stand up straight in the corners (camber
angles), the aero can do its work. Crank in more and the car sticks
better but goes slower.

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I don't think you can draw a direct comparison between
what a driver does in another series, and what he does in a taxi either.
You point to JPM, having been good in IRL, but not enjoying the same
number of wins in NASCAR. That doesn't necessarily translate to the
car being harder to drive.

For him, the IRL cars were no challenge and VERY EASY to drive. F1s
harder. Cup cars different. He uses different lines than other drivers
on some tracks.

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Steve Kinser was pretty good in sprint cars,
but didn't do shit in NASCAR.

Very different car. And far from an IRL car or CART car.

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Is it because sprint cars are so much easier to drive than taxis?
Of course not.

Yeah, I know you missed me.

Didn't know you were gone.

Out of town on a consulting gig... I'm only "partially retired" and
still helping friends.

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Driven open wheel cars? Of course. Spoken directly to those who have
driven IRL cars? Yes, I know people that were in the series. Some
still are. Some were even friends.

Awesome!

Just at the right place at the right time with the right amount of $$
and a passive interest in separating me from my $$.

#13

In article Invisibrarian <no.spam (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

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Chuck Steak wrote:

I'm not as good at relating what I think,
to what I write as you are, that's all.

Usually students start to get more coherent writing styles as they get
farther along in school. So in a couple of years, you'll start to improve.

I hope so.
When I grow up, I hope I can be just like you...

#14

"Chuck Steak" <Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

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In article John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote:
"Rod's work news" <rod.gramlich (AT) ualberta (DOT) ca> wrote in

and fwiw, ......... the open wheel cars are probably easier to drive

Depends on which open wheel cars you're speaking of. IRL cars on a
big track might be. ... And I doubt there's anything harder to drive than
a WoO sprint
car - more power, less weight, and an absurdly short wheelbase isn't
the recipe for easy handling.

John

It's an interesting thing. And relative to what we define 'easier' as.
It's easier to drive an open wheel car the same speed as a stock car
But it's hardly easier to race them.

It's hard to 'race' any car..
They just have very different characteristics.

But John is right on, with the type of open wheeler
being pretty important to the discussion..
Sprints, Supers, Midgets are harder to drive than stock cars...
no doubt.
IRL cars.... can't help much there.
But I've no reason to think that the concept is any different.

It is actually easier than you think to determine. The sweet spot for
athletes of all types is 26-29 years old. I do not care what sport it is.
It could be a stick and ball player or a horse jockey or a car driver.

At 26 they have the skills and experience and at 29 the reflexes have not
yet begun to slacken off. If you had the box scores for all of these
various sorts of racing it would be easy to see in which form the 26-29 year
olds had the highest rate of success. That is the most difficult one.

It is silly to even think of a 50 or 60 year old F1 driver. It is almost as
silly to think of a 19 year old F1 driver.

It is clear to me that the more difficult form of racing between open wheel
and closed wheel is open wheel due to the deviation of age at which is can
be done well.

That is just my opinion and your mileage may vary.

#15

Chuck Steak wrote:

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In article Invisibrarian <no.spam (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

Chuck Steak wrote:

I'm not as good at relating what I think,
to what I write as you are, that's all.

Usually students start to get more coherent writing styles as they get
farther along in school. So in a couple of years, you'll start to improve.

I hope so.
When I grow up, I hope I can be just like you...

Most do, few succeed.

[end of thread for me.]

#16

On Jun 18, 4:25*pm, Invisibrarian <no.s... (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

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Chuck Steak wrote:

I hope so.
When I grow up, I hope I can be just like you...

Most do, few succeed.

Yep that brain is still firmly invisible.

#17

DAVe wrote:

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On Jun 18, 4:25 pm, Invisibrarian <no.s... (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:
Chuck Steak wrote:

I hope so.
When I grow up, I hope I can be just like you...
Most do, few succeed.

Yep that brain is still firmly invisible.

And yours has yet to be activated.

#18

"Invisibrarian" <no.spam (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote

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DAVe wrote:
On Jun 18, 4:25 pm, Invisibrarian <no.s... (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:
Chuck Steak wrote:

I hope so.
When I grow up, I hope I can be just like you...
Most do, few succeed.

Yep that brain is still firmly invisible.

And yours has yet to be activated.

Oh come on... can't we all just get along...

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mmarlowREMOVE (AT) windstream (DOT) net

#19

On Jun 18, 6:04*pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca... (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

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"Chuck Steak" <Chuck_St... (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message

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In article *John McCoy <igop... (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote:
"Rod's work news" <rod.graml... (AT) ualberta (DOT) ca> wrote in

and fwiw, ......... the open wheel cars are probably easier to drive

Depends on which open wheel cars you're speaking of. *IRL cars on a
big track might be. ... *And I doubt there's anything harder to drivethan
a WoO sprint
car - more power, less weight, and an absurdly short wheelbase isn't
the recipe for easy handling.

John

It's an interesting thing. And relative to what we define 'easier' as.
It's easier to drive an open wheel car the same speed as a stock car
But it's hardly easier to race them.

It's hard to 'race' any car..
They just have very different characteristics.

But John is right on, with the type of open wheeler
being pretty important to the discussion..
Sprints, Supers, Midgets are harder to drive than stock cars...
no doubt.
IRL cars.... can't help much there.
But I've no reason to think that the concept is any different.

It is actually easier than you think to determine. *The sweet spot for
athletes of all types is 26-29 years old. *I do not care what sport it is.
It could be a stick and ball player or a horse jockey or a car driver.

At 26 they have the skills and experience and at 29 the reflexes have not
yet begun to slacken off. *If you had the box scores for all of these
various sorts of racing it would be easy to see in which form the 26-29 year
olds had the highest rate of success. *That is the most difficult one.

It is silly to even think of a 50 or 60 year old F1 driver. *It is almost as
silly to think of a 19 year old F1 driver.

It is clear to me that the more difficult form of racing between open wheel
and closed wheel is open wheel due to the deviation of age at which is can
be done well.

That is just my opinion and your mileage may vary.

Vettel is only 22 and not in the best car, yet is third in F1 standings

#20

Mike Marlow wrote:

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"Invisibrarian" <no.spam (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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DAVe wrote:
On Jun 18, 4:25 pm, Invisibrarian <no.s... (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:
Chuck Steak wrote:
I hope so.
When I grow up, I hope I can be just like you...
Most do, few succeed.
Yep that brain is still firmly invisible.
And yours has yet to be activated.

Oh come on... can't we all just get along...

He's a humble guy with a lot to be humble about.