"Heavy Hitter" <airmail (AT) skymailtoearth (DOT) com.tw>; <Norm (AT) psuedorocketmail (DOT) com>;
<Toosf (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com> wrote

Wow. How original.

Does the Troll-O-Meter give negative readings, or is the OP just a big fat
zero?

On Jun 17, 5:19*am, "armpit" <armarmpit... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
I haven't checked it yet today - it will give a minus reading down to
-20, though.

N.

and fwiw, ......... the open wheel cars are probably easier to drive
............... there's usually only (excepting INDY) 15 to 18 of them, and
often spread over a 2 mile track - and their aero design is better (far less
mass and a much higher wing:body surface, ratio) so they handle better. That
said .............. if you touch a wheel, you're in deep doo_doo :>)

It is 2 completely different racing styles, and 2 completely different
racing machines. It's akin to comparing apples and oranges.

It can be a interesting discussion - but not when baited by the keyboard of
a troll




"armpit" <armarmpitpit (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

"armpit" <armarmpitpit (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

The latter. 'Tis the season, I guess...

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-Mike-
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"Rod's work news" <rod.gramlich (AT) ualberta (DOT) ca> wrote in
news:h1b99e$80a$1 (AT) tabloid (DOT) srv.ualberta.ca:

Depends on which open wheel cars you're speaking of. IRL cars on a
big track might be. But I bet you'd get a different answer if you
asked Jeff Gordon about F1 cars, especially after he spun testing at
Indy. And I doubt there's anything harder to drive than a WoO sprint
car - more power, less weight, and an absurdly short wheelbase isn't
the recipe for easy handling.

John

In article John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote:
It's an interesting thing. And relative to what we define 'easier' as.
It's easier to drive an open wheel car the same speed as a stock car
But it's hardly easier to race them.

It's hard to 'race' any car..
They just have very different characteristics.

But John is right on, with the type of open wheeler
being pretty important to the discussion..
Sprints, Supers, Midgets are harder to drive than stock cars...
no doubt.
IRL cars.... can't help much there.
But I've no reason to think that the concept is any different.

Chuck Steak wrote:
Duh... A lot lighter, all aero, real motors, real brakes.... Didn't
take much of a rocket scientist to come up with that. And its easier to
race them. The IRL cars are very dumbed down from the real CART cars
before the creation of the IRL. The driver can change the car set-up
while moving.

The CART cars were very fast, some were very twitchy. Aero set-up was
very critical to car balance and performance. The chassis set-up was
important, but the driver could change it to compensate for weight
changes, tire wear, track temp, etc.

IRL cars are exceedingly easy to drive relative to a big heavy stock
car. At most tracks, they just push their foot to the floor and hold it
there. The aero package does the rest.

Ask JPM. He said his grandmother could drive an IRL car. He won the
Indy 500 the first time he ran it. It was his first race in an IRL car.
That was before he went to F1.

F1 cars are fairly easy to drive, but hard to drive at competitive
speeds. That said, a Formula Atlantic can (at least used to be able to)
corner faster than the heavier F1 car, but is also much lighter and
lower powered.

Massively different. Two completely different types of cars. IRL cars
have little in common with midget, sprint, supers. More in common with
road racing Formula cars.

In article Invisibrarian <no.spam (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:
Seems like you missed the point...
But because you seem to always enjoy finding fault with my stuff,
I'm not even going to bother to explain this time..
As for the IRL cars being easier to "race"..
I'm assuming that you have?

I was clear that I had not driven/raced an IRL type car..
Which is why I referenced the others...

Chuck Steak wrote:
Or maybe, you just didn't make a point again or obscured it again.

Yeah, I know you missed me.

Driven open wheel cars? Of course. Spoken directly to those who have
driven IRL cars? Yes, I know people that were in the series. Some
still are. Some were even friends.

In article Invisibrarian <no.spam (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote:

I'm not as good at relating what I think,
to what I write as you are, that's all.

I thought the point was clear enough.
That driving cars, no matter what type,
is different than 'racing' cars..
Some drive easeir than others, to some degree,
but when taking that car to the edge, with others doing the same,
it's a different story.
Tracks like Indy (for IRL cars), or Dega, (for stockers),
may not necessarily be 'prime' examples.. and there are
always exceptions.. but IRL cars, at Richmond, for example,
are probably not 'easier' to race, than a stocker..

I don't think you can draw a direct comparison between
what a driver does in another series, and what he does in a taxi either.
You point to JPM, having been good in IRL, but not enjoying the same
number of wins in NASCAR. That doesn't necessarily translate to the
car being harder to drive.
Steve Kinser was pretty good in sprint cars,
but didn't do shit in NASCAR.
Is it because sprint cars are so much easier to drive than taxis?
Of course not.

Didn't know you were gone.

Awesome!