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Re: Qualify To Race Or Go Home
Nascar NASCAR and other professional stock car racing (rec.autos.sport.nascar)
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Re: Qualify To Race Or Go Home -
08-08-2009
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The provisional crap is just that, qualify your way to starting grid placement, nothing else. |
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:00:46 -0400, "Ray O'Hara" raymond-ohara (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: "Tim Shelton" <noemail1543 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:f6sp755dapejqom2aegp0uch35qhfp86lh (AT) ccr (DOT) org... The provisional crap is just that, qualify your way to starting grid placement, nothing else. Sponsors disagree. If I am a sponsor, I am only paying for sponsorship if the team can qualify for the race and then race and complete the race unless catastrophic failure occurs, like a crash out of race or engine blows and cannot be replaced before end of race. |
Have your qualifying.
Top 35 in the points are booked.
Immediately afterwards, everyone else, 8 or how many, run a 20-30 lap
dash,depending on the track..and they do it for the fans...and they do it
the day before as part of the Nationwide card. Its televised so those
sponsors get some air time.
If I know I have to run 20 to make the field..and I can actually race!
Yeah, I'm coming to race.
Points for the Saturday races are tallied at years end. The points winner
gets provisionals for the 500 at Daytona, the first Talladega race and the
Charlotte 600.
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The provisional crap is just that, qualify your way to starting grid placement, nothing else. Every driver gets a mulligan at the beginning of each season, only one for the whole season. Use it if you have catastrophic failure during regular qualifying. When you have no mulligan and you have catastrophic failure, and have not completed the first of two qualifying laps, because of catastrophic failure, you get the chance to fix the problem and try again, if time permits. |
mysterious "catastrophic failures" and get moved to the end, when
conditions are better?
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For each win and placement and completion, drivers will get time increments that can be applied toward existing poor showing qualifying times. Increments shall be in thousanths of seconds and these can be accumulated and applied where allowed to compensate a poor qualifying run, in those cases where the driver does not qualify well enough to make a field. If the driver has enough increments to compensate an existing time, to get into the field, drivers can bump the lowest driver on the field. |
re-bumps the original driver - what happens to the two drivers'
increments? Does anybody lose any, since nobody actually changed
positions? Does only the originally qualifying driver lose
increments, since the "bumping" driver didn't get into the race?
Unfortunately, "race your way in" has one flaw; NASCAR is under the
impression that The Chase is A Good Thing, so once you get to the
final 10 races, there would be major amounts of yelling and screaming
if any of the 12 Chase racers don't get automatic spots.
One thing I think we - and a considerable number of others on RASN -
can agree on is, there need to be fewer "automatic" qualifying
positions in each race.
-- Don
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Tim Shelton wrote: The provisional crap is just that, qualify your way to starting grid placement, nothing else. Every driver gets a mulligan at the beginning of each season, only one for the whole season. *Use it if you have catastrophic failure during regular qualifying. * When you have no mulligan and you have catastrophic failure, and have not completed the first of two qualifying laps, because of catastrophic failure, *you get the chance to fix the problem and try again, if time permits. How many cars with bad qualifying position draws suddenly have mysterious "catastrophic failures" and get moved to the end, when conditions are better? For each win and placement and completion, drivers will get time increments that can be applied toward existing poor showing qualifying times. *Increments shall be in thousanths of seconds and these can be accumulated and applied where allowed to compensate a poor qualifying run, in those cases where the driver does not qualify well enough to make a field. *If the driver has enough increments to compensate an existing time, to get into the field, drivers can bump the lowest driver on the field. Unless, of course, the "bumped" driver has increments of his own, and re-bumps the original driver - what happens to the two drivers' increments? *Does anybody lose any, since nobody actually changed positions? *Does only the originally qualifying driver lose increments, since the "bumping" driver didn't get into the race? Unfortunately, "race your way in" has one flaw; NASCAR is under the impression that The Chase is A Good Thing, so once you get to the final 10 races, there would be major amounts of yelling and screaming if any of the 12 Chase racers don't get automatic spots. One thing I think we - and a considerable number of others on RASN - can agree on is, there need to be fewer "automatic" qualifying positions in each race. -- Don |
provisional for the most recent champion that doesn't qualify, but he
can only use it for six races. Bow to sponsorship pressure, and allow
provisionals for chase cars. My own feeling is that if a guy in the
top 12 can't qualify, that tough shit, but the sponsors would never
allow one of their top 12 cars to sit out a race in the chase.
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:00:46 -0400, "Ray O'Hara" raymond-ohara (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: "Tim Shelton" <noemail1543 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:f6sp755dapejqom2aegp0uch35qhfp86lh (AT) ccr (DOT) org... The provisional crap is just that, qualify your way to starting grid placement, nothing else. Sponsors disagree. In that case, teams MUST put in place some Service Level Agreements (SLA). Sponsors only pay for sponsorship if their car qualifies to run the race, then race. Of course, if they don't finish due to crash or catastrophic failure, then teams owe noting back to sponsor. It is a great incentive for teams to make sure they get into the show, race and try to race competitively. |
if they can't get seen no matter why they will leave,
they can write off the cost, but if you deny them the visibility they will
go elsewhere with their money.
the problem you are whining about is minor.
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