Re: Question about 48 .. Time line for the inspection and such

#11

I say they'll give him 4, same as Berrier last year.

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Any guesses on his suspension? I'll take 2 races. I think it should be more
like 3-5, but he's a Hendrick Boy, so I figure he'll basically get off with
a wrist slap, which means 2 races at home, and maybe $50k-$100k in fineage.
Oh, and they'll sieze his Nextel phone for those 2 races too. ;-)

#12

They don't give you a chance to fix it if it is an obvious attempt to
cheat. Some times you don't even get the car back for a long long
time.. Remember Stewart losing his car?

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Doesn't the 48 and 5 get a second inspection after they fail? Like Dover?

#13

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote

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"Nancy1" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote in message
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WildWeasel wrote:
"Nancy1" wrote ...
Don't know nuthin bout Machinery .. Re the 48 wrote:
The car passed inspection ... so the changes were made sometime after
that. Can anyone give
me a time line of how it went down ? thanks

It passed pre-Q inspection; it failed post-Q inspection. What more do
you need?

That could also just mean they missed it in pre-qual inspection,
couldn't it?
Unless you are assuming the nascar inspectors (a subset of nascar) is
perfect.

Yes, but it sounded to me like it was so obvious, nobody could've
missed it.

Hmmmmmm... perspective is everything. To me... it sounded like it was very
subtle. I'm really thinking that if NASCAR wants to micro manage everything
about these cars so much, and (seemingly) look for every possible way to
ding a team, that if they pass a car through pre-Qualifying, then that's
it - the car is legal. No matter what they miss, it's their job to certify
the car and if they certify it, then it's a legal car. Put some of this
stuff right back on NASCAR's shoulders.
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

Wasn't a NA$CAr inspector terminated last year for doing this very thing?

And how could anything be missed if it takes 4 & 1/2 hours to get thru
inspection before qualifying, 6 hours after?
CRU

#14

"Nancy1" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote

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WildWeasel wrote:

- it was there all along but the inspectors missed it during pre-qual
inspection
- the inspectors *did* catch pre qual it but didn't say anything waiting
to nail
him AFTER Q so they could REALLY nail him

This seems most likely. It appears from previous seasons' actions,
that the NASCAR officials like to wait until something is a done
deal..after inspection..after qualifying..after the race is run, and
then nail the miscreants. I've often wondered why they wait.

I'd have to wonder about that too. The objective of the rules is a level

playing field for all. To knowingly allow someone to run a cheat item for
the dubious purpose of nailing them with bigger penalties later doesn't seem
logical. Since the penalty is usually points and a fine, the issue of how
many finishing positions higher the cheat enabled the car to achieve is not
addressed. The honest competitor who finishes behind a cheat machine must
enjoy a very limited sense of satisfaction knowing that the cheat is losing
points but not finishing positions.

#15

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote

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"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Any guesses on his suspension? I'll take 2 races. I think it should be
more
like 3-5, but he's a Hendrick Boy, so I figure he'll basically get off
with
a wrist slap, which means 2 races at home, and maybe $50k-$100k in
fineage.
Oh, and they'll sieze his Nextel phone for those 2 races too. ;-)

Why?

Consistency. They penalize everyone else, I think Knaus should have to atone
for one for a change. He skated on the shock deal last year, which was as
bad as everything else they caught last year IMO. So why? It's about time he
got pinged for his actions when everyone else in the garage has been, that's
why.

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Pushing the limits and even cheating is a long standing NASCAR
tradition. Why suspend a guy for trying?

Because. NASCAR has made it plain that they will drop the hammer on anyone
that blatently goes against a rule, or against the intent of a rule.

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Hell Daytona itself is well known
for this - they used to have the Table of Shame right outside of the
inspection station where they would put all of the confiscated parts out
for
view. Just can't understand this fixation people have with suspending and
fining a team. Catch them cheating and take away their finishing
position.
It doesn't need to be any more punitive than that.

It's not a fixation dude. It's wanting consistency in penalties from team to
team, and the 48 has gotten off quite lightly the past season and a half or
so. Don't project your anti-fixation on cheating, excuse me, innovation,
onto our trains of thought. ;-)

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

#16

"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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It's not a fixation dude. It's wanting consistency in penalties from team
to
team, and the 48 has gotten off quite lightly the past season and a half
or
so. Don't project your anti-fixation on cheating, excuse me, innovation,
onto our trains of thought. ;-)

Dude? *Our* trains of thought? Am I invading some private party in your
personal group here? I didn't project my preference for less childish
punishment on you - that would have been to accuse you of holding those
preferences. I simply question this repeated call for punishment that gets
more and more extreme.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

#17

Really doesn't matter with Knaus. He's a born cheat. Just look at his
resume...

He's well on his way to being banned from pit road and the garage area.

He's gotten to the point where he's now a liability to Rick Hendrick as far
as points go.

#18

"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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Because. NASCAR has made it plain that they will drop the hammer on anyone
that blatently goes against a rule, or against the intent of a rule.

If they really want to drop the hammer, how about an immediate DQ from the

Chase?

Barring that, I think any points penalties incurred in the first 26 races
should be deferred until after the points reset after the 26th race, unless
applying the penalty before the reset would be the difference between making
the Chase and not making it - then penalize them after the 26th race but
before the reset.

Right now, a 25 (or even 50) point penalty probably (of course, OTWT) won't
hurt the 48 team much if at all when the points are reset after Richmond.

#19

"WildWeasel" <wweasel_24 (AT) HooYah (DOT) com> wrote in
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If it wasn't that obvious:
- Chad made the change after pre-qual inspection, hoping he had the
time to secretly change it back after Q but before post-qual
inspection and, if he didn't, hoping it would sneak through. (this one
still doesn't make much sense, does it?)

Dunno why you say it doesn't make sense. I beleive this is exactly
what happened.

If I'm correct, look for the post-500 penalty to be severe. This
isn't using a part which is in the grey area, or misinterpreting
an opaque NASCAR rule. This is intentionally introducing something
that you know to be in violation of the rules.

John

#20

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote in
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Just can't understand this fixation people have
with suspending and fining a team.

It's not "people", it's NASCAR. For whatever reason NASCAR has
decided that pressing the boundries isn't part of the game any
longer, and that they're going to punish teams who try (and thus
the fans get to amuse themselves trying to guess what new
punishment NASCAR will come up with).

Myself, I beleive France, Helton, et al have some deep seated
insecurities, which manifest in a need to "be in charge" and
exercise control over everything. Hence the fixation on making
and enforcing rules.

I liked it better the old way.

John

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