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Robert R Kircher, Jr.
 
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Default Re: Simple way to fix racing back to the yellow - 09-17-2003 , 12:02 AM






Mark wrote:
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Rather than try to figure out just who is ahead at a given spot on the
track and avoid the IRL 500 problem that put the wrong winner in
victory lane, just set it up front that once the yellow comes out
scoring reverts back to the last scored lap and positions are frozen
then.

Sometimes it will help you, and sometimes it will hurt you but its
clear and over the course of a year will even itself out. It would
also stop people from giving people their lap back. I hate that. If
they want the lap back, its just simple. Pass the leader.

Mark
That's exactly what many fans, including me, would want to avoid. I think
the point here is that until you actually take the yellow flag you are still
racing. Gentlemen's agreement or not if the 2nd place car chooses to pass
the leader one they way back to the yellow he is well within the current
rule set. From a competition stand point that is exactly how I want it to
stay.

However, there is a safety issue for the drivers and rescue people involved
in an accident on the track. It's simply insane to race past an accident on
the track. If you were the driver in the wrecked car you wouldn't take to
kindly to your fellow competitors splitting you wreck as they race for
position back to the yellow flag. All the drivers should be intelligent and
mature enough to realize that and back down if the wreck is between them and
the yellow flag. It seem however that with all the over exuberant young
blood on the track both the so called GE and common sense have simply gone
out the window, and the worse part of it is that veterans are also losing
their minds and racing where they shouldn't.

So IMO all NASCAR needs to do is start passing down some judgment calls when
they feel a driver has put another driver or safety crew member in harms
way. Very severe penalties like held for 2 or 3 laps. And no shit about
how Joe shmo was doing it so I had to keep racing. Slap a couple of
dominant leaders with that kind of penalty and they'd all shape up PDQ.

NASCAR just need to have the balls to take the heat from the fans and the
drivers when they make the call.

BTW this goes for bone head moves like JG deal Sunday in the pits. A two
lap penalty would have pulled his head out of Amanda Cloud's (is that her
name) pants quick as shit.

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Julia
 
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Default Re: Simple way to fix racing back to the yellow - 09-17-2003 , 12:40 AM






Robert R Kircher, Jr. wrote:

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So IMO all NASCAR needs to do is start passing down some judgment
calls when they feel a driver has put another driver or safety crew
member in harms way. Very severe penalties like held for 2 or 3
laps. And no shit about how Joe shmo was doing it so I had to keep
racing. Slap a couple of dominant leaders with that kind of penalty
and they'd all shape up PDQ.
I gotta agree with you there ~ penalizing a guy for pitting out of his box
by a few inches while allowing all sorts of dangerous moves both in the pits
and on the track just doesn't make any sense.







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Robert R Kircher, Jr.
 
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Default Re: Simple way to fix racing back to the yellow - 09-17-2003 , 01:06 AM



Julia wrote:
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Robert R Kircher, Jr. wrote:

So IMO all NASCAR needs to do is start passing down some judgment
calls when they feel a driver has put another driver or safety crew
member in harms way. Very severe penalties like held for 2 or 3
laps. And no shit about how Joe shmo was doing it so I had to keep
racing. Slap a couple of dominant leaders with that kind of penalty
and they'd all shape up PDQ.

I gotta agree with you there ~ penalizing a guy for pitting out of
his box by a few inches while allowing all sorts of dangerous moves
both in the pits and on the track just doesn't make any sense.
But the key is NO NEW RULES. It's purely a judgment call on the part of
NASCAR. And too bad to the lot that say "That ain't fair". Too bad so sad.

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Default Re: Simple way to fix racing back to the yellow - 09-17-2003 , 09:36 AM




"Mark" <aviatorsonestop (AT) dp (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Rather than try to figure out just who is ahead at a given spot on the
track and avoid the IRL 500 problem that put the wrong winner in
victory lane, just set it up front that once the yellow comes out
scoring reverts back to the last scored lap and positions are frozen
then.
Why not just leave it alone?
It has worked fine for over 50 years.
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Lloyd Parker
 
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Default Re: Simple way to fix racing back to the yellow - 09-17-2003 , 03:07 PM



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"-v-" <vxmNOvxSPA-3M*@altara.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
"Mark" <aviatorsonestop (AT) dp (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:419928dc.0309161924.4c334ef6 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Rather than try to figure out just who is ahead at a given spot on the
track and avoid the IRL 500 problem that put the wrong winner in
victory lane, just set it up front that once the yellow comes out
scoring reverts back to the last scored lap and positions are frozen
then.

Why not just leave it alone?
It has worked fine for over 50 years.
That's what they said about segregation.


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Default Re: Simple way to fix racing back to the yellow - 09-17-2003 , 03:38 PM




"Lloyd Parker" <lparker (AT) emory (DOT) edu> wrote

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In article <qrZ9b.71767$Mb2.2453587 (AT) twister (DOT) tampabay.rr.com>,
"-v-" <vxmNOvxSPA-3M*@altara.invalid> wrote:

"Mark" <aviatorsonestop (AT) dp (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:419928dc.0309161924.4c334ef6 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Rather than try to figure out just who is ahead at a given spot on the
track and avoid the IRL 500 problem that put the wrong winner in
victory lane, just set it up front that once the yellow comes out
scoring reverts back to the last scored lap and positions are frozen
then.

Why not just leave it alone?
It has worked fine for over 50 years.
That's what they said about segregation.

That was a lot more than 50 years.
In any case what does your nostalgia about the Old South have to do racing
back to the yellow?
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Default Re: Simple way to fix racing back to the yellow - 09-17-2003 , 04:40 PM



Lloyd Parker wrote:
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Why not just leave it alone?
It has worked fine for over 50 years.
That's what they said about segregation.
Were they wrong?
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Lloyd Parker
 
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Default Re: Simple way to fix racing back to the yellow - 09-18-2003 , 09:53 AM



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"-v-" <vxmNOvxSPA-3M*@altara.invalid> wrote:
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker (AT) emory (DOT) edu> wrote in message
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In article <qrZ9b.71767$Mb2.2453587 (AT) twister (DOT) tampabay.rr.com>,
"-v-" <vxmNOvxSPA-3M*@altara.invalid> wrote:

"Mark" <aviatorsonestop (AT) dp (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:419928dc.0309161924.4c334ef6 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Rather than try to figure out just who is ahead at a given spot on the
track and avoid the IRL 500 problem that put the wrong winner in
victory lane, just set it up front that once the yellow comes out
scoring reverts back to the last scored lap and positions are frozen
then.

Why not just leave it alone?
It has worked fine for over 50 years.
That's what they said about segregation.


That was a lot more than 50 years.
In any case what does your nostalgia about the Old South have to do racing
back to the yellow?
That simply "it's worked well for x number of years" is no reason to keep the
status quo.


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Default Re: Simple way to fix racing back to the yellow - 09-18-2003 , 08:28 PM




"Lloyd Parker" <lparker (AT) emory (DOT) edu> wrote

Quote:
In article <kL2ab.18$Od.9039 (AT) twister (DOT) tampabay.rr.com>,
"-v-" <vxmNOvxSPA-3M*@altara.invalid> wrote:

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker (AT) emory (DOT) edu> wrote in message
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In article <qrZ9b.71767$Mb2.2453587 (AT) twister (DOT) tampabay.rr.com>,
"-v-" <vxmNOvxSPA-3M*@altara.invalid> wrote:

"Mark" <aviatorsonestop (AT) dp (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:419928dc.0309161924.4c334ef6 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Rather than try to figure out just who is ahead at a given spot on
the
track and avoid the IRL 500 problem that put the wrong winner in
victory lane, just set it up front that once the yellow comes out
scoring reverts back to the last scored lap and positions are frozen
then.

Why not just leave it alone?
It has worked fine for over 50 years.
That's what they said about segregation.


That was a lot more than 50 years.
In any case what does your nostalgia about the Old South have to do
racing
back to the yellow?
That simply "it's worked well for x number of years" is no reason to keep
the
status quo.
Sure it is.
Nothing wrong with it.
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