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Re: Simple way to fix racing back to the yellow
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Re: Simple way to fix racing back to the yellow -
09-15-2003
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"Robert R Kircher, Jr." <rrkircher (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:bk2dkr$6mk$1 (AT) bob (DOT) news.rcn.net... New Rule: If the crash is between you and the start finish line, putting you in a position to race past the wreak and you chose to do so, you are black flagged held a lap and the SPOTTER gets a fine. . Very simple. This way there is no need to "freeze the field" and lap cars can get their lap back as long as they don't race past the wreck. -- Rob WRONG! As long as a lapped car is allowed to pass the leader to get a lap back then it is not fair to the lead lap cars not to allow them to pass. Using your rule then NO ONE should be allowed to pass when the incident is between them and the S/F line. The announcers made an error in their comments today saying it was the leaders prerogative whether to allow lappers back.... The incident with JG earlier this year indicated that this was not the case. |
the race, that that was the case! It is the leaders choice, but if he
does, then the cars behind him can race him to the S/F line.
\\/ayne //\ann
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New Rule: If the crash is between you and the start finish line, putting you in a position to race past the wreak and you chose to do so, you are black flagged held a lap and the SPOTTER gets a fine. . Very simple. This way there is no need to "freeze the field" and lap cars can get their lap back as long as they don't race past the wreck. |
Not good. NA$kar needs to make a rule - one way or the other. Race or
don't race. One or the other. And if they don't want to race back and
don't have the technology to freeze the field, make the rule that the
positions on the last completed green lap are where they stay. Sure you
lose your pass, bad luck happens all through the race.
There is no reason to allow driver discretion on this. One or the other.
OR, make a YELLOW that you race back to the yellow and a YELLOW/RED
(displayed simultaneously and based on where the leaders are and where the
wreck is - front stretch or in turn 1 or 2, depending on the track) where
the race is immediately frozen under caution and there is no racing back to
the flag. NA$kar decides. They make rulings all the time, they can make
that decision quickly. They have lights around the track and radios to all
the cars, communicating this shouldn't be an issue.
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"Kit" <adrook (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:e756f30f.0309141830.2d2993d0 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com... wayne mann <tpdl (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote in message news:<ahq9mv4ogeeof3giselsm2vjqcf0d0cj56 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>... Well, they have been doing it for over 50 years, so why don't you just hold your breathe? \\/ayne //\ann Exactly. Drivers have been killed by accidental bumps, yet NASCAR barely penalizes for intentional bumps. If anything needs to be addressed, it would be that. Nothing needs to be addressed about anything. The fact that NASCAR has a bunch of newbie fans does not mean NASCAR needs a bunch of newbie rules to go them. |
I agree with you completely V but I think we all know a rule is coming. I
though my idea might at least be the best of both worlds. That is if a rule
has to be put in place to begin with.
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Rob
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:08:14 GMT, "Douglas BISHOP" phydeaux99 (AT) leavethisout_ameritech (DOT) net> wrote: "Robert R Kircher, Jr." <rrkircher (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:bk2dkr$6mk$1 (AT) bob (DOT) news.rcn.net... New Rule: If the crash is between you and the start finish line, putting you in a position to race past the wreak and you chose to do so, you are black flagged held a lap and the SPOTTER gets a fine. . Very simple. This way there is no need to "freeze the field" and lap cars can get their lap back as long as they don't race past the wreck. -- Rob WRONG! As long as a lapped car is allowed to pass the leader to get a lap back then it is not fair to the lead lap cars not to allow them to pass. Using your rule then NO ONE should be allowed to pass when the incident is between them and the S/F line. The announcers made an error in their comments today saying it was the leaders prerogative whether to allow lappers back.... The incident with JG earlier this year indicated that this was not the case. NOT true. It was just announced at the drivers meeting before the race, that that was the case! It is the leaders choice, but if he does, then the cars behind him can race him to the S/F line. \\/ayne //\ann |
hands and keep lapped cars down. Rather than being the leader's
"prerogative" it is the leader's "risk." The risk being that he will not
only fail to let cars have a lap back but lose the lead in the process.
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New Rule: If the crash is between you and the start finish line, putting you in a position to race past the wreak and you chose to do so, you are black flagged held a lap and the SPOTTER gets a fine. . Very simple. This way there is no need to "freeze the field" and lap cars can get their lap back as long as they don't race past the wreck. Too subjective -- is a driver "racing past the wreck" or just "driving past |
Freeze the field.
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"CBellinger35" <cbellinger35 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote in message news:20030914150249.18106.00000548 (AT) mb-m25 (DOT) aol.com... i don't see why freezing the field can't work. it may take extra time, but all that means that on second time by they pit. if an inferior organization like IRL can do it, why can't NASCAR? where the hell do all the ticket sales, TV contracts, etc. go? "we don't have the technology" my ass. The problem is that NASCAR needs cars to get their laps back. Too many cars out of contention means too many fans and too many sponsors unhappy. It's as simple as that. Then they should just invert the field at half-way like they do for the silly |
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In article <bk2dkr$6mk$1 (AT) bob (DOT) news.rcn.net>, "Robert R Kircher, Jr." <rrkircher (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: New Rule: If the crash is between you and the start finish line, putting you in a position to race past the wreak and you chose to do so, you are black flagged held a lap and the SPOTTER gets a fine. . Very simple. This way there is no need to "freeze the field" and lap cars can get their lap back as long as they don't race past the wreck. Too subjective -- is a driver "racing past the wreck" or just "driving past the wreck." Freeze the field. |
not.
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Rob
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:50:37 -0500, "Tom S" <nowhere (AT) noplace (DOT) com wrote: Too complicated. Freezing the field has worked in other series and it can work in NASCAR too. It's only a matter of time before somebody gets seriously injured because of this racing back to the yellow crap. But NASCAR doesn't seem to do anything until someone dies so it might be a while yet. Well, they have been doing it for over 50 years, so why don't you just hold your breathe? \\/ayne //\ann I was surprised when they finally went to disk brakes and radial tires, so I |
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"wayne mann" <tpdl (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote in message news:vj1cmv4prsp4hhlqgfct6oqrete1ib59qd (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:08:14 GMT, "Douglas BISHOP" phydeaux99 (AT) leavethisout_ameritech (DOT) net> wrote: "Robert R Kircher, Jr." <rrkircher (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:bk2dkr$6mk$1 (AT) bob (DOT) news.rcn.net... New Rule: If the crash is between you and the start finish line, putting you in a position to race past the wreak and you chose to do so, you are black flagged held a lap and the SPOTTER gets a fine. . Very simple. This way there is no need to "freeze the field" and lap cars can get their lap back as long as they don't race past the wreck. -- Rob WRONG! As long as a lapped car is allowed to pass the leader to get a lap back then it is not fair to the lead lap cars not to allow them to pass. Using your rule then NO ONE should be allowed to pass when the incident is between them and the S/F line. The announcers made an error in their comments today saying it was the leaders prerogative whether to allow lappers back.... The incident with JG earlier this year indicated that this was not the case. NOT true. It was just announced at the drivers meeting before the race, that that was the case! It is the leaders choice, but if he does, then the cars behind him can race him to the S/F line. \\/ayne //\ann Meaning then that the guy in second place can take matters into his own hands and keep lapped cars down. Rather than being the leader's "prerogative" it is the leader's "risk." The risk being that he will not only fail to let cars have a lap back but lose the lead in the process. |
makes the choice and everyone else just falls in line behind them,
BUT, if someone wants to do it, they can pass the leader, although
that is not supposed to happen, but if they do, they get to keep the
position. For example: Robby Gordon passed Harvik in California on
the road course. The problem is, although there is a G/A, anyone can
ignore it if they wish!
\\/ayne //\ann
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Too complicated. Freezing the field has worked in other series and it can work in NASCAR too. |
disagree.
That yellow cost him the Indy 500.
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