Re: Top Ten Drivers

#11

Rick wrote:

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I agree, but (and I hate this saying) it is what
it is. Was JJ's 1st championship won on the old
season-long format? I think so.

No. TS is the only driver to win championships under both formats.

#12

Chuck Steak wrote:

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In article Vandar <vandar69 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Chuck Steak wrote:

Winning the title is as easy, or as hard, for everyone competing for it.
If it was easy to win, Johnson wouldn't have 3 in a row, and maybe 4..
The chase has nothing to do with making it easier, or harder.
It's the same for all. It's hard.

I didn't say it was easy, only less meaningful.

I think the implication you present goes hand in hand.
I just don't get what you mean.
How is it less meaningful?

Because under the current system, a driver needs to run better than 11
other drivers over the course of 10 races.
Under the former system, a driver needed to run better than 42 other
drivers over the course of approximately 34 races.

Being consistent for 10 races is less meaningful than being consistent
for 34.

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The 48 works very hard at winning championships.
They stay in the top 12 the first 26, and try things to get better in the
final 10. That's how you do it.
Everyone has the same op. They are just better at it.
If tomorrow, they went back to the old system, or any system,
the 48 would still be a favorite. And likely could win.

Under the old system, Johnson only has one title. Gordon would have six.
Over the course of the entire year last year, Carl Edwards earned more
points than Johnson.
Because the Chase format gifts free points to select drivers, among
other bullshit scenarios (like 12th & 13th being tied after 26 races),
the titles mean less.

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to say that somehow their titles are less meaningful than say
Benny Parsons', who rarely finished on the lead lap, is a joke.

Finished on the lead lap? When did that enter the equation?

I guess I wasn't clear enough.
My point was, that the year Benny won, he rarely finished on
the lead lap.. yet won the title.
To me, that's really lame.
I would have been sort of embarassed.

More than if you had NASCAR hand you some free points with 10 races
left, vaulting you from 5th to 1st in the standings without you running
a single lap?
Benny raced for every point he received.

#13

In article Vandar <vandar69 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Chuck Steak wrote:

How is it less meaningful?

Because under the current system, a driver needs to run better than 11
other drivers over the course of 10 races.
Under the former system, a driver needed to run better than 42 other
drivers over the course of approximately 34 races.

But in "reality" they never had to run better than 12 for the last 10!!
They only needed to beat maybe 3 for instance.

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Being consistent for 10 races is less meaningful than being consistent
for 34.

Kyle Busch needed to be consitent for the first 26.
They were very fast, and won a lot of races.
But didn't make it.
It isn't "easy".. no matter what the criteria, because everyone is
on the same page, all with the same opportunities..

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Under the old system, Johnson only has one title

But you don't know what their strategy would have been
using the old system.

#14

Chuck Steak wrote:

Quote:

In article Vandar <vandar69 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Chuck Steak wrote:

How is it less meaningful?

Because under the current system, a driver needs to run better than 11
other drivers over the course of 10 races.
Under the former system, a driver needed to run better than 42 other
drivers over the course of approximately 34 races.

But in "reality" they never had to run better than 12 for the last 10!!
They only needed to beat maybe 3 for instance.

Being consistent for 10 races is less meaningful than being consistent
for 34.

Kyle Busch needed to be consitent for the first 26.
They were very fast, and won a lot of races.
But didn't make it.
It isn't "easy".. no matter what the criteria, because everyone is
on the same page, all with the same opportunities..

Again, I never said it was easy. You seem to want to argue against a
position I never put forward.

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Under the old system, Johnson only has one title

But you don't know what their strategy would have been
using the old system.

He ran two years under the old system.

#15

"Vandar" <vandar69 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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Chuck Steak wrote:
But you don't know what their strategy would have been
using the old system.

He ran two years under the old system.

One of those years was his first season, and was 5th,
the next year, his second, he was 2nd.
It's not like he couldn't do well without the chase.

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