Re: Trulli to test for Nascar

#11

"Chad" <cbstun (AT) safemail (DOT) com> wrote in news:4acdff46 (AT) news (DOT) x-privat.org:

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APLer wrote:
Wandering the Ardennes <joedopebucket (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in
news:f7689f06-4392-4f7e-8423-ceca5c248ee6 (AT) o21g2000vbl (DOT) googlegroups.com:

I like this....bring on the best drivers and lets see what they can
do. JPM has proven to be a quick learner. How much could Lewis
Hamilton do as a stock car driver?

He doesn't *need* to wallow in the mud of NASCAR. He's got a *real*
driving job - because he doesn't crash all the time - unlike how
Montoya was in F1.

I know the records won't back me up, but I still rate Montoya among the
best 20 or 30 drivers to pilot an F1 car.

From Indy perhaps. He was doing well until his final year in F1 and then

he seemed to be either trying beyond his abilities or not concentrating
enough. And this was when testing was wide open and they had *all* the
tweaks on the cars. He rose above his ability plain and simple. He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to beat
Hakkinen too much perhaps.

#12

APLer wrote:

Quote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to beat
Hakkinen too much perhaps.

That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish is
doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel car,
especially an F1 car.

#13

TS02_05champ wrote:

Quote:

APLer wrote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to beat
Hakkinen too much perhaps.

That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish is
doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel car,
especially an F1 car.

Say that again????

--

Chris

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)

#14

mower man wrote:

Quote:

TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to beat
Hakkinen too much perhaps.

That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish is
doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel car,
especially an F1 car.

Say that again????

Just reread it. What's the problem?

#15

TS02_05champ wrote:

Quote:

mower man wrote:
TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to beat
Hakkinen too much perhaps.

That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish
is doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel
car, especially an F1 car.

Say that again????

Just reread it. What's the problem?

There's almost no real downforce on a NASCAR car is there? Or how much?

--

Chris

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)

#16

mower man wrote:

Quote:

TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to
beat Hakkinen too much perhaps.

That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish
is doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel
car, especially an F1 car.

Say that again????

I don't agree that a Cup car is harder to [get in and] drive than an F1 but
I think mastering NASCAR racing is probably more difficult than F1. It takes
50-100 race starts to be considered even competent for most drivers.

--
Chad

#17

Chad wrote:

Quote:

mower man wrote:
TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to
beat Hakkinen too much perhaps.
That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish
is doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel
car, especially an F1 car.
Say that again????

I don't agree that a Cup car is harder to [get in and] drive than an F1 but
I think mastering NASCAR racing is probably more difficult than F1. It takes
50-100 race starts to be considered even competent for most drivers.

I think they are completely different skills. Quite apart from the fact
that one involves driving around only left hand corners and the other up
to five G loads on the body. Certainly not to diminish the roundy round
thing, which must take some doing even if only 'cos from the driver's
perspective it must be like a monstrous video game.

--

Chris

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)

#18

Chad wrote:

Quote:

mower man wrote:
TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to
beat Hakkinen too much perhaps.
That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish
is doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel
car, especially an F1 car.
Say that again????

I don't agree that a Cup car is harder to [get in and] drive than an F1 but
I think mastering NASCAR racing is probably more difficult than F1. It takes
50-100 race starts to be considered even competent for most drivers.

Are you kidding me? An F1 car is probably the most technically advanced
race car in the world. A NASCAR car is a friggen dinosaur. I'm sure
there are production cars that handle better than a NASCAR car,
especially since the introduction of the CoT. Like I said, look at the
THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish Jr. And Danica possibly coming
to NASCAR in 3 yrs is a joke. There is no way in hell she could drive a
CoT.

BTW, did you see "Tradin' Paint" with Jeff Gordon and JPM? Jeff Gordon
said the hardest part about driving the F1 car was figuring out what all
of the buttons were on the steering wheel. He looked like a kid in a
candy store while behind the wheel of that car.

#19

mower man wrote:

Quote:

Chad wrote:
mower man wrote:
TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to
beat Hakkinen too much perhaps.
That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish
is doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel
car, especially an F1 car.
Say that again????

I don't agree that a Cup car is harder to [get in and] drive than an
F1 but I think mastering NASCAR racing is probably more difficult
than F1. It takes 50-100 race starts to be considered even competent
for most drivers.

I think they are completely different skills. Quite apart from the
fact that one involves driving around only left hand corners and the
other up to five G loads on the body. Certainly not to diminish the
roundy round thing, which must take some doing even if only 'cos from
the driver's perspective it must be like a monstrous video game.

If I could pick any form of motor racing to be able to experience first hand
I think 300kph side by side into banked corners with all the cars not
holding traction would be the most thrilling. Mid pack among a bunch of
throaty sounding carb fed V8s flat out would be sensual overload all by
itself. :-)

I used to think oval racing was very boring looking and I do like my F1
more, but there is plenty to like about NASCAR too. If you can find a reason
to start following it closely enough to get into the 'finer points' anyway.

--
Chad

#20

TS02_05champ wrote:

Quote:

Chad wrote:
mower man wrote:
TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to
beat Hakkinen too much perhaps.
That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish
is doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel
car, especially an F1 car.
Say that again????

I don't agree that a Cup car is harder to [get in and] drive than an
F1 but I think mastering NASCAR racing is probably more difficult
than F1. It takes 50-100 race starts to be considered even competent
for most drivers.

Are you kidding me? An F1 car is probably the most technically
advanced race car in the world. A NASCAR car is a friggen dinosaur.
I'm sure there are production cars that handle better than a NASCAR
car, especially since the introduction of the CoT. Like I said, look
at the THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish Jr. And Danica
possibly coming to NASCAR in 3 yrs is a joke. There is no way in hell
she could drive a CoT.

BTW, did you see "Tradin' Paint" with Jeff Gordon and JPM? Jeff Gordon
said the hardest part about driving the F1 car was figuring out what
all of the buttons were on the steering wheel. He looked like a kid
in a candy store while behind the wheel of that car.

I didn't see that one. :\

I'm not kidding though. Check out this vid of Gordon and Montoya's laps
during the swap drives and then try and tell me it was easier for Gordon to
step into that Williams than it was for Montoya into the Chev. (and thats
not taking anything away from Gordon)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_IfM5X7QIU

--
Chad