Re: Trulli to test for Nascar

#21

TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05champ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in
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APLer wrote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to beat
Hakkinen too much perhaps.

That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right?

You mean the fatso that never shaves and thinks that doing a pit maneuver
in the pits is proper behavior? If you eliminate all your competitors that
way without being penalized of course you'll do well. But it's got nothing
to do with talent or ability.

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Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish is
doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel car,
especially an F1 car.

You're kidding right? making the same two left hand turns for two hours

and using other cars as insulation from the wall doesn't make a race. It's
a parade - two or three wide. Full out racing requires cars to follow
*one* line.

I *never* watch NASCAR. I'm PO'd enough with all the extra crap they have
filling SPEED which *used* to be other types of racing before FOX took
over.

#22

Chad wrote:

Quote:

TS02_05champ wrote:
Chad wrote:
mower man wrote:
TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to
beat Hakkinen too much perhaps.
That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish
is doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel
car, especially an F1 car.
Say that again????
I don't agree that a Cup car is harder to [get in and] drive than an
F1 but I think mastering NASCAR racing is probably more difficult
than F1. It takes 50-100 race starts to be considered even competent
for most drivers.
Are you kidding me? An F1 car is probably the most technically
advanced race car in the world. A NASCAR car is a friggen dinosaur.
I'm sure there are production cars that handle better than a NASCAR
car, especially since the introduction of the CoT. Like I said, look
at the THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish Jr. And Danica
possibly coming to NASCAR in 3 yrs is a joke. There is no way in hell
she could drive a CoT.

BTW, did you see "Tradin' Paint" with Jeff Gordon and JPM? Jeff Gordon
said the hardest part about driving the F1 car was figuring out what
all of the buttons were on the steering wheel. He looked like a kid
in a candy store while behind the wheel of that car.

I didn't see that one. :\

I'm not kidding though. Check out this vid of Gordon and Montoya's laps
during the swap drives and then try and tell me it was easier for Gordon to
step into that Williams than it was for Montoya into the Chev. (and thats
not taking anything away from Gordon)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_IfM5X7QIU

I think you better watch your own video again and *listen* to JG comments.

#23

TS02_05champ wrote:

Quote:

Chad wrote:
TS02_05champ wrote:
Chad wrote:
mower man wrote:
TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a
great achievement for a professional race car driver. He was
trying to beat Hakkinen too much perhaps.
That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has
won championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3
drivers, right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ
Sam Hornish is doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than
an open-wheel car, especially an F1 car.
Say that again????
I don't agree that a Cup car is harder to [get in and] drive than
an F1 but I think mastering NASCAR racing is probably more
difficult than F1. It takes 50-100 race starts to be considered
even competent for most drivers.
Are you kidding me? An F1 car is probably the most technically
advanced race car in the world. A NASCAR car is a friggen dinosaur.
I'm sure there are production cars that handle better than a NASCAR
car, especially since the introduction of the CoT. Like I said, look
at the THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish Jr. And Danica
possibly coming to NASCAR in 3 yrs is a joke. There is no way in
hell she could drive a CoT.

BTW, did you see "Tradin' Paint" with Jeff Gordon and JPM? Jeff
Gordon said the hardest part about driving the F1 car was figuring
out what all of the buttons were on the steering wheel. He looked
like a kid in a candy store while behind the wheel of that car.

I didn't see that one. :\

I'm not kidding though. Check out this vid of Gordon and Montoya's
laps during the swap drives and then try and tell me it was easier
for Gordon to step into that Williams than it was for Montoya into
the Chev. (and thats not taking anything away from Gordon)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_IfM5X7QIU

I think you better watch your own video again and *listen* to JG
comments.

I'm sure he had loads of fun (as he said) but during the onboard lap you can
see how hard he is struggling to hit apexes and breaking points. He's all
over the place and quite lucky to not have had an off imho.

I'd still bet dollars to donuts that Tony Stewart (and maybe JG too) would
initially be many times more competive in an F1 race than Lewis Hamilton
would be in NASCAR. (Well, if Tony kept away from those donuts).

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Chad

#24

On 2009-10-08, TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05champ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

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Yeah, it actually takes skill to drive a NASCAR car, unlike those F1
cars that drive themselves during "follow the leader".

Har, that'll be why our failed F1 drivers do NASCAR while your failed
NASCAR drivers don't do F1 ;-)

More seriously, an F1 car has to have the nuts driven off it before it
even starts to work, the brakes don't work and you've got no grip
until you're setting quite good lap times, then you can really start
to put the hammer down. Just recently a new recruit had problems with
the brakes that appear to have been down to him just not being quick
enough to make them work.

Then of course there's the oval, it's not that popular in this country
other than at local club levels where it's more popular due to the low
track demands. The most popular oval racing in the UK is speedway
racing, on very primitive motorbikes that can only turn one way and do
so sideways on dirt tracks, that's probably as close to NASCAR as we
get!

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#25

On Oct 9, 5:40*am, Ian Rawlings <new... (AT) tarcus (DOT) org.uk> wrote:

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On 2009-10-08, TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Yeah, it actually takes skill to drive a NASCAR car, unlike those F1
cars that drive themselves during "follow the leader".

Har, that'll be why our failed F1 drivers do NASCAR while your failed
NASCAR drivers don't do F1 ;-)

More seriously, an F1 car has to have the nuts driven off it before it
even starts to work, the brakes don't work and you've got no grip
until you're setting quite good lap times, then you can really start
to put the hammer down. *Just recently a new recruit had problems with
the brakes that appear to have been down to him just not being quick
enough to make them work.

Then of course there's the oval, it's not that popular in this country
other than at local club levels where it's more popular due to the low
track demands. *The most popular oval racing in the UK is speedway
racing, on very primitive motorbikes that can only turn one way and do
so sideways on dirt tracks, that's probably as close to NASCAR as we
get!

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i believe this clip from top gear, a british automotive show,
describes very well what you're trying to explain about the car
needing to go fast in order to work. for those that don't want to
watch the entire 10 min clip, start around 6 min and it is very easy
to see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGUZJVY-sHo

#26

On 2009-10-09, Fish <godwin.dave8 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

i believe this clip from top gear, a british automotive show,
describes very well what you're trying to explain about the car
needing to go fast in order to work. for those that don't want to
watch the entire 10 min clip, start around 6 min and it is very easy
to see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGUZJVY-sHo

Ah yes, Hammond, I've seen that before. I can't quite remember the
name of the driver I'm thinking of but he's so new he works in a bank
when he's not racing!

Also an F1 car and driver has to accelerate and decelerate between
30-200MPH around a twisty track, trying to maintain the best line
through the next corner while taking into account the one after it,
while having to fend off the car behind and attack the car in front,
whereas the oval racers don't tend to change speed anywhere near that
extent and can attack/defend easier as their line isn't quite so
critical.

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#27

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:23:25 +0100, Ian Rawlings <news06 (AT) tarcus (DOT) org.uk>
wrote:

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I can't quite remember the
name of the driver I'm thinking of but he's so new he works in a bank
when he's not racing!

I never had him down as a banker before this season.

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Ian D

#28

Ian Rawlings escribió:

Quote:

On 2009-10-09, Fish <godwin.dave8 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

i believe this clip from top gear, a british automotive show,
describes very well what you're trying to explain about the car
needing to go fast in order to work. for those that don't want to
watch the entire 10 min clip, start around 6 min and it is very easy
to see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGUZJVY-sHo

Ah yes, Hammond, I've seen that before. I can't quite remember the
name of the driver I'm thinking of but he's so new he works in a bank
when he's not racing!

(at the risk of being whooshed) Are you talking of Grosjean?

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Shevek

#29

On 2009-10-09, Shevek <shevek99 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

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(at the risk of being whooshed) Are you talking of Grosjean?

If he's the one who works in a bank and couldn't get his brakes to
work, then yes! I do admit the possibility that I'm confusing two
drivers though..

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#30

On 2009-10-09, Ian Dalziel <iandalziel (AT) lineone (DOT) net> wrote:

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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:23:25 +0100, Ian Rawlings <news06 (AT) tarcus (DOT) org.uk
wrote:

I can't quite remember the name of the driver I'm thinking of but
he's so new he works in a bank when he's not racing!

I never had him down as a banker before this season.

I'll bet he left a deposit when his brakes didn't brake!

I doubt he'll be vaulting to the top of the lap time charts any time
soon. Particularly at the weekend as he'll be closed.

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