Re: Trulli to test for Nascar

#41

build wrote:

Quote:

On Oct 10, 7:21 am, mower man <nos... (AT) f2s (DOT) com> wrote:
Chad wrote:
mower man wrote:
TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:
He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to
beat Hakkinen too much perhaps.
That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish
is doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel
car, especially an F1 car.
Say that again????
I don't agree that a Cup car is harder to [get in and] drive than an F1 but
I think mastering NASCAR racing is probably more difficult than F1. It takes
50-100 race starts to be considered even competent for most drivers.
Might that be because NASCAR is extremely close racing? More like FF in
tin-tops than F1.

That's a warning. Regulation too close!
--
Chris

G'day,
Comparing an F1 with a NASCAR is like comparing a Battleship with a
JetFighter. Neither is better or worse, they are just two different
animals.

More like comparing an F-22 Raptor to a commercial airliner.

#42

On Oct 10, 10:22*am, TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

More like comparing an F-22 Raptor to a commercial airliner.

Damn, I actually thought I'd articulated that well :-(
Obviously not

beers,
build

#43

build wrote:

Quote:

On Oct 10, 10:22 am, TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com
wrote:
More like comparing an F-22 Raptor to a commercial airliner.

Damn, I actually thought I'd articulated that well :-(
Obviously not

beers,
build

I meant to ask what is "tin-top" and an "FF"?

#44

On Oct 10, 10:35*am, TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

build wrote:
On Oct 10, 10:22 am, TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com
wrote:
More like comparing an F-22 Raptor to a commercial airliner.

Damn, I actually thought I'd articulated that well :-(
Obviously not

beers,
build

I meant to ask what is "tin-top" and an "FF"?

Oh, sorry it never occurred to me that they would be foreign terms. my
apology.

A tintop is a shopping car, is a saloon, is a touring car, is a car
resembling a street car. i.e. has a 'tin top' and based on a
production vehicle.

'FF' is an acronym for 'Formula Ford' which is an open wheeler
catagory based around a space frame chassis with an old ford 'kent'
1600cc engine, no aero devices allowed ... (but designers are clever).
Another similar but less known catagory is FF2000 which has a more
modern and bigger engine and very restricted wings. Because these
categories are heavily restricted they are cheaper but the big
advantage is that the difference between cars is minimal there it
creates very close exciting racing where (for the most part) driver
skill is paramount.

beers,
build

#45

TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05champ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in
news:4acfbc63$0$5681$9a6e19ea (AT) unlimited (DOT) newshosting.com:

Quote:

APLer wrote:
Ian Rawlings <news06 (AT) tarcus (DOT) org.uk> wrote in
news:slrnhcu18s.9eo.news06 (AT) lounge (DOT) tarcus.org.uk:

They certainly did have dirt track motorcycle racing in the states
until recently. Mcqueen was a fan of it. I have no idea if it still
exists. It doesn't seem to get any TV. They have a couple of car
equivalents. One where the cars look like a cross between a land yacht
and a lancia stratos and the other where it looks like a golf cart with
an enormous wing on the top. Every turn is a power slide and the dirt
shines from all the polish it gets.

You ca see an example of each at the top of this page.

http://www.worldofoutlaws.com/sprint/

It's still oval racing, so I don't personally watch it, but it most
definitely isn't NASCAR.

You are talking about Sprint cars

No, I'm talking about "world of outlaws" The sprint cars are only the golf
cart like ones.

#46

mower man wrote:

Quote:

Chad wrote:
mower man wrote:
TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:

He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to
beat Hakkinen too much perhaps.
That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish
is doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel
car, especially an F1 car.
Say that again????

I don't agree that a Cup car is harder to [get in and] drive than an
F1 but I think mastering NASCAR racing is probably more difficult
than F1. It takes 50-100 race starts to be considered even competent
for most drivers.
Might that be because NASCAR is extremely close racing? More like FF
in tin-tops than F1.

That's a warning. Regulation too close!

That's probably part of it but as a late-in-life NASCAR fan what sucked me
in and surprised me most is how much finesse it actually takes just to be
competitive. It's much more like a chess game than a video game in reality,
everything plays out slower than in F1 but there are so many more factors
that come into play every race. And btw, imho it's not really about all the
passing either. It's about teams of automotive artists facing crapshoot odds
of winning and still managing to somehow pull it off. Some people say that
just makes it a lottery, but they are wrong. What it does is require a level
of co-ordinated perfection over 4 hours that can be 'thrilling' to watch
play out. If you check the results from this season it's clear that who wins
(or even runs in the top 10) is far from a lottery, the cream rises the top
almost every week, 36 times per year.

When I hear people say F1 isn't worth watching as there is no overtaking, I
usually think they just don't get into the sport enough to appreciate how
good the entire spectacle actually is.

When I hear people say NASCAR is like WWE on wheels and is boring because
they only turn left, I think exactly the same thing.

--
Chad

#47

TS02_05champ wrote:

Quote:

APLer wrote:
Ian Rawlings <news06 (AT) tarcus (DOT) org.uk> wrote in
news:slrnhcu18s.9eo.news06 (AT) lounge (DOT) tarcus.org.uk:

On 2009-10-08, TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05champ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Yeah, it actually takes skill to drive a NASCAR car, unlike those
F1 cars that drive themselves during "follow the leader".
Har, that'll be why our failed F1 drivers do NASCAR while your
failed NASCAR drivers don't do F1 ;-)

More seriously, an F1 car has to have the nuts driven off it before
it even starts to work, the brakes don't work and you've got no grip
until you're setting quite good lap times, then you can really start
to put the hammer down. Just recently a new recruit had problems
with the brakes that appear to have been down to him just not being
quick enough to make them work.

Then of course there's the oval, it's not that popular in this
country other than at local club levels where it's more popular due
to the low track demands. The most popular oval racing in the UK
is speedway racing, on very primitive motorbikes that can only turn
one way and do so sideways on dirt tracks, that's probably as close
to NASCAR as we get!

They certainly did have dirt track motorcycle racing in the states
until recently. Mcqueen was a fan of it. I have no idea if it still
exists. It doesn't seem to get any TV. They have a couple of car
equivalents. One where the cars look like a cross between a land
yacht and a lancia stratos and the other where it looks like a golf
cart with an enormous wing on the top. Every turn is a power slide
and the dirt shines from all the polish it gets.

You ca see an example of each at the top of this page.

http://www.worldofoutlaws.com/sprint/

It's still oval racing, so I don't personally watch it, but it most
definitely isn't NASCAR.

You are talking about Sprint cars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZGvsMb0qtE

I believe the "land yacht and a lancia stratos" (lol) you are
referring to is dirt modified.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flmZkjC6w5U

They don't just do that stuff in America though! Some great action from my
local track (about 3 miles away) down here in Australia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te7XQySrGD0

--
Chad

#48

APLer wrote:

Quote:

"armpit" <armarmpitpit (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in
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"APLer" <APLer (AT) floor (DOT) tilde> wrote in message
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TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05champ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in
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APLer wrote:

I *never* watch NASCAR.

Then your opinions about it don't really matter, do they?

Of course they do. You're posting in a F1 group.

LOL. Well half of the thread is crossposted to RASF1 and RASN but there is
bits n pieces that are only in one or the other. I don't know if anyone else
reads both groups normally but I'm finding the "cross-cultural interaction"
fun to watch :-)

--
Chad

#49

On Oct 10, 1:33*pm, "Chad" <cbs... (AT) safemail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

mower man wrote:
Chad wrote:
mower man wrote:
TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:

*> He's
better than most of the NASCAR drivers, but that's hardly a great
achievement for a professional race car driver. He was trying to
beat Hakkinen too much perhaps.
That would explain why ONLY Tony Stewart (from open-wheel) has won
championships in NASCAR and is considered one of the top 3 drivers,
right? Just look how well a THREE time open-wheel champ Sam Hornish
is doing. A NASCAR car is much harder to drive than an open-wheel
car, especially an F1 car.
Say that again????

I don't agree that a Cup car is harder to [get in and] drive than an
F1 but I think mastering NASCAR racing is probably more difficult
than F1. It takes 50-100 race starts to be considered even competent
for most drivers.
Might that be because NASCAR is extremely close racing? More like FF
in tin-tops than F1.

That's a warning. Regulation too close!

That's probably part of it but as a late-in-life NASCAR fan what sucked me
in and surprised me most is how much finesse it actually takes just to be
competitive. It's much more like a chess game than a video game in reality,
everything plays out slower than in F1 but there are so many more factors
that come into play every race. And btw, imho it's not really about all the
passing either. It's about teams of automotive artists facing crapshoot odds
of winning and still managing to somehow pull it off. Some people say that
just makes it a lottery, but they are wrong. What it does is require a level
of co-ordinated perfection over 4 hours that can be 'thrilling' to watch
play out. If you check the results from this season it's clear that who wins
(or even runs in the top 10) is far from a lottery, the cream rises the top
almost every week, 36 times per year.

When I hear people say F1 isn't worth watching as there is no overtaking,I
usually think they just don't get into the sport enough to appreciate how
good the entire spectacle actually is.

When I hear people say NASCAR is like WWE on wheels and is boring because
they only turn left, I think exactly the same thing.

--
Chad

Good post Chad!
F1 and NASCAR are not dissimilar but F1 preparations, fuel, tyres
become apparent earlier.

Mind you NASCAR is the junior/different/local category .... but I
doubt you deny that.

Thanks,
build

#50

On Oct 10, 1:47*pm, "Chad" <cbs... (AT) safemail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

TS02_05champ wrote:
APLer wrote:
Ian Rawlings <new... (AT) tarcus (DOT) org.uk> wrote in
news:slrnhcu18s.9eo.news06 (AT) lounge (DOT) tarcus.org.uk:

On 2009-10-08, TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05ch... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Yeah, it actually takes skill to drive a NASCAR car, unlike those
F1 cars that drive themselves during "follow the leader".
Har, that'll be why our failed F1 drivers do NASCAR while your
failed NASCAR drivers don't do F1 ;-)

More seriously, an F1 car has to have the nuts driven off it before
it even starts to work, the brakes don't work and you've got no grip
until you're setting quite good lap times, then you can really start
to put the hammer down. *Just recently a new recruit had problems
with the brakes that appear to have been down to him just not being
quick enough to make them work.

Then of course there's the oval, it's not that popular in this
country other than at local club levels where it's more popular due
to the low track demands. *The most popular oval racing in the UK
is speedway racing, on very primitive motorbikes that can only turn
one way and do so sideways on dirt tracks, that's probably as close
to NASCAR as we get!

They certainly did have dirt track motorcycle racing in the states
until recently. Mcqueen was a fan of it. I have no idea if it still
exists. It doesn't seem to get any TV. They have a couple of car
equivalents. One where the cars look like a cross between a land
yacht and a lancia stratos and the other where it looks like a golf
cart with an enormous wing on the top. Every turn is a power slide
and the dirt shines from all the polish it gets.

You ca see an example of each at the top of this page.

http://www.worldofoutlaws.com/sprint/

It's still oval racing, so I don't personally watch it, but it most
definitely isn't NASCAR.

You are talking about Sprint cars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZGvsMb0qtE

I believe the "land yacht and a lancia stratos" (lol) you are
referring to is dirt modified.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flmZkjC6w5U

They don't just do that stuff in America though! Some great action from my
local track (about 3 miles away) down here in Australia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te7XQySrGD0

--
Chad

Ahhh ... Geeelong?