 | |
Scoring
Nascar NASCAR and other professional stock car racing (rec.autos.sport.nascar)
 |
| | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | Display Modes |
#21
 
| |||||
| |||||
|
Re: Scoring -
04-30-2007
, 08:50 PM
|
If Bobby Labonte was still running at the end, but was in the pits for 50 laps repairing the car, and Mark Martin crashed with two laps to go, you are saying that Labonte should finish ahead of Martin... That's ridiculous. |
Quote:
|
Martin was 48 laps ahead of Labonte.. Nothing changed here either. Let's not confuse what we are talking about. |
Quote:
|
I'm not debating the merits, or lack of, for the GWC. I'm just trying to help you guys understand 'scoring'. |
Quote:
|
The Busch race where Mark Martin pulled off the track, on the white flag lap, thinking it was the checkered... This was under a yellow flag. You're thinking is, he should have won, regardless... Because he was frozen... |
becomes frozen (i.e caution comes out during GWC). As the previous poster
cited, ........ the field (crippled or not) must maintain pace car speed (or
be passed ... so I guess if you've been hit and are limping badly, others
can 'pass').
Quote:
|
NASCAR didn't think so then, and they don't now... Dan **************************************** I'm going to stop putting things off. Starting tomorrow. |
#22
| |||
| |||
|
|
It doesn't make any sense, if the caution comes out during the G-W-C NASCAR says the race is over. PERIOD. |
The "RACE" is over, when the lead car crosses the line,
and takes the checkered flag.
Quote:
|
It sound like another NASCAR SNAFU to me. (they don't know what they're doing, time for another rule change) |
and this week, we want them to change how they declare a winner.
Dan
****************************************
I'm going to stop putting things off.
Starting tomorrow.
#23
| |||
| |||
|
|
I'm not sure I follow you Carey... Which part doesn't make sense? If you cannot cross the line, because you wrecked, the guys that do finish the race, if they complete more laps than you, SHOULD be ahead of you. To put it another way, once the leader takes the checkered flag, the rest of the finishing order is actually determined by "how far they went, in the least amount of time". That's what a race is. That's why you can wreck, be stuck in the infield grass, and still finish 10th, for example. It's also the reason you can be coming down for the checker, in second, wreck, and come in 27th. How is that unfair? There should be ONE commond scoring point for all. The start/finish line. |
race for some. I see nothing wrong with reverting back to the positions at
the last completed green lap. All drivers were racing at that point and all
had to reach the same distance.
Carey in Paris
#24
| |||
| |||
|
|
There should be ONE commond scoring point for all. The start/finish line. When scoring loops are brought into the equation, you now have shortened the race for some. I see nothing wrong with reverting back to the positions at the last completed green lap. All drivers were racing at that point and all had to reach the same distance. Carey in Paris |
during the race.
Start/Finish still must be reached at 'reasonable speed' if the race ends with a
Yellow after an aborted GWC.
All the GWC crap developed due to the trash-throwing dummies at the other plate
track...otherwise reversion back to the last completed lap to determine finishing
order would still be possible.
--
Tom in Bristol
----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==----
http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups
----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
#25
| |||
| |||
|
|
There should be ONE commond scoring point for all. The start/finish line. Carey in Paris |
That's the way it is, Carey... (how's Paris by the way?)
You are "scored" at the start finish line.
You are " lined up" via scoring loops....
We need to stop confusing the two.
If you don't cross the start/finish line, you do not get "scored"
for that lap. Your position is determined by the "time" you went over
your last loopline..
Even though you may have been lined up 10th.
You STILL have to cross the line.
Or else, you will be the first car one lap down, for example.
And all of the cars that were 20 laps down, yet finished the race
by crossing the line, will NOT be in front of you on the results sheet.
This is EXACTLY how they have been doing it, WAY WAY before
electronic looplines.
They used to have a scorer for each car, and they manually did it
the same way.
Nothing has changed in the methodology!!
Dan
****************************************
I'm going to stop putting things off.
Starting tomorrow.
#26
| |||
| |||
|
|
"Carey Akin" <cmakin (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote in message news:quBZh.92995$VU4.11374 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net... Timing loops are used to determine running order at the time the Yellow comes out during the race. |
what is happening on the track. "Laps led" are scored at the start finish
line. A driver can be passed during a lap, and regain the lead and other
driver who passed him didn't lead that lap. In my view, there is only one
place on the track to score positions. Does Talladega have as many scoring
loops as Martinsville? Watkins Glen? There should be some standardization;
and their is if they use the S/F line.
Quote:
|
Start/Finish still must be reached at 'reasonable speed' if the race ends with a Yellow after an aborted GWC. |
Quote:
|
All the GWC crap developed due to the trash-throwing dummies at the other plate track...otherwise reversion back to the last completed lap to determine finishing order would still be possible. Well, they are still throwing trash. What to do now? |
Carey in Douala
#27
| ||||
| ||||
|
| That's the way it is, Carey... (how's Paris by the way?) |
terminal bus that must get paid by the mile)
Quote:
|
You are "scored" at the start finish line. You are " lined up" via scoring loops.... We need to stop confusing the two. |
out, and then ends up being the finish of the race, what are the positions
scored? My point is valid. I spent a number of years when I was announcing
in the booth with score keepers (back in the day of had scoring).
Quote:
|
If you don't cross the start/finish line, you do not get "scored" for that lap. Your position is determined by the "time" you went over your last loopline.. Even though you may have been lined up 10th. You STILL have to cross the line. Or else, you will be the first car one lap down, for example. And all of the cars that were 20 laps down, yet finished the race by crossing the line, will NOT be in front of you on the results sheet. |
Quote:
|
This is EXACTLY how they have been doing it, WAY WAY before electronic looplines. They used to have a scorer for each car, and they manually did it the same way. Nothing has changed in the methodology!! Yes, but the scorer for each car took their time at the start finish (or |
scoring loops, it changes everything. Go back and read what I wrote
previous to this post-but you may already have.
Carey in Douala
#28
| |||
| |||
|
|
"Chuck Steak" <chuck_steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message news:8aJZh.3005$YW4.1817 (AT) trndny06 (DOT) .. That's the way it is, Carey... (how's Paris by the way?) I don't know. I only saw the inside of De Gaulle (that, and the inter terminal bus that must get paid by the mile) You are "scored" at the start finish line. You are " lined up" via scoring loops.... We need to stop confusing the two. But if a pass for the lead is made on the back stretch and a yellow comes out, and then ends up being the finish of the race, what are the positions scored? My point is valid. I spent a number of years when I was announcing in the booth with score keepers (back in the day of had scoring). |
determine final positions.
Jimmie Spencer lost a CTS race in 2005 just like this. JS took the white
flag with the lead, just ahead of Bobby Hamilton, but was passed for the
lead just beyond the S/F line. A caution came out and Nascar determined
through video evidence that Hamilton was ahead of Spencer at the exact
moment the yellow lights came on, and awarded the victory to Hamilton.
#29
| |||
| |||
|
|
"Tom Duwe" <tom... (AT) bvunet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:1178029799_24883 (AT) sp12lax (DOT) superfeed.net... "Carey Akin" <cma... (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote in message news:quBZh.92995$VU4.11374 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net... Timing loops are used to determine running order at the time the Yellow comes out during the race. And I don't agree with that. That is my point. It is not a fair record of what is happening on the track. "Laps led" are scored at the start finish line. A driver can be passed during a lap, and regain the lead and other driver who passed him didn't lead that lap. In my view, there is only one place on the track to score positions. Does Talladega have as many scoring loops as Martinsville? Watkins Glen? There should be some standardization; and their is if they use the S/F line. Start/Finish still must be reached at 'reasonable speed' if the race ends with a Yellow after an aborted GWC. You already know my opinion of the GWC, and that has always been the case. All the GWC crap developed due to the trash-throwing dummies at the other plate track...otherwise reversion back to the last completed lap to determine finishing order would still be possible. Well, they are still throwing trash. What to do now? Carey in Douala |
used to be a lot less, but they've added a bunch. So I'd say they
have a lot more (2.66 mi. track) than Martinsville.
N.
#30
| |||
| |||
|
| The positions are "frozen" and Nascar will use video & loop data to determine final positions. Jimmie Spencer lost a CTS race in 2005 just like this. JS took the white flag with the lead, just ahead of Bobby Hamilton, but was passed for the lead just beyond the S/F line. A caution came out and Nascar determined through video evidence that Hamilton was ahead of Spencer at the exact moment the yellow lights came on, and awarded the victory to Hamilton. And I still don't like it. |
Carey in Douala
|
« Previous Thread
|
Next Thread »
| Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
| Display Modes | |
Linear Mode
| |
Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.