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Default Scoring - 04-29-2007 , 04:49 PM






The TV talking heads said the final positions would be scored based on
the track positions at the time the yellow is thrown. But it seemed
like they ran an extra lap under yellow, or at least finished the
existing lap they were on. What am I missing?

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Default Re: Scoring - 04-29-2007 , 05:03 PM






zmike6 wrote:
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The TV talking heads said the final positions would be scored based on
the track positions at the time the yellow is thrown. But it seemed
like they ran an extra lap under yellow, or at least finished the
existing lap they were on. What am I missing?
When the green flag is thrown for the g/w/c finish, there are two laps
to go. If the yellow comes out during that time, the cars still have to
complete the lap count under yellow.


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Default Re: Scoring - 04-29-2007 , 05:19 PM




"zmike6" <zmike6@*SPAMBLOCK*yahoo.com> wrote

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The TV talking heads said the final positions would be scored based on
the track positions at the time the yellow is thrown. But it seemed
like they ran an extra lap under yellow, or at least finished the
existing lap they were on. What am I missing?
That the GWC is contrived. I have an idea. The fans threw trash and got
the GWC. Well, now they are doing the same, so let's drop the GWC and go
back to SOME semblance of racing.

Carey in Manvel




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Default Re: Scoring - 04-29-2007 , 05:26 PM



herma (AT) mindlessinvalid (DOT) com wrote:
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:49:28 GMT, zmike6 <zmike6@*SPAMBLOCK*yahoo.com
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The TV talking heads said the final positions would be scored based on
the track positions at the time the yellow is thrown. But it seemed
like they ran an extra lap under yellow, or at least finished the
existing lap they were on. What am I missing?


Yea I thought that was odd.

You only get 1 try to finish the race. If there is another caution the
race is supposed to be finished right then.

What am I missing????
DW wasn't finished talking.



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Default Re: Scoring - 04-29-2007 , 05:28 PM



On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:49:28 GMT, zmike6 <zmike6@*SPAMBLOCK*yahoo.com>
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The TV talking heads said the final positions would be scored based on
the track positions at the time the yellow is thrown. But it seemed
like they ran an extra lap under yellow, or at least finished the
existing lap they were on. What am I missing?
I don't get it either. The field is frozen once the caution came out,
and yet Stewart, who was on the lead lap, finishes 28th--two laps
down. How does that happen?



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Default Re: Scoring - 04-29-2007 , 05:48 PM



Matt <pianoman41 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:49:28 GMT, zmike6 <zmike6@*SPAMBLOCK*yahoo.com
wrote:

The TV talking heads said the final positions would be scored based on
the track positions at the time the yellow is thrown. But it seemed
like they ran an extra lap under yellow, or at least finished the
existing lap they were on. What am I missing?

I don't get it either. The field is frozen once the caution came out,
and yet Stewart, who was on the lead lap, finishes 28th--two laps
down. How does that happen?
Not sure about the 2 laps, but he'd be one lap down because he
failed to complete the yellow flag lap. When the field is frozen,
your position is locked in only as long as you maintain pace car
speed. The field can pass a disabled car (or one stopped in the
pits, for that matter) and gain positions.

John


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Default Re: Scoring - 04-29-2007 , 06:23 PM




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I don't get it either. The field is frozen once the caution came out,
and yet Stewart, who was on the lead lap, finishes 28th--two laps
down. How does that happen?
It doesn't..


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Default Re: Scoring - 04-29-2007 , 06:45 PM




"Matt" <pianoman41 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

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I don't get it either. The field is frozen once the caution came out,
and yet Stewart, who was on the lead lap, finishes 28th--two laps
down. How does that happen?
Because the laps are added to the race (which is why NASCAR went for YEARS
without doing this). Once they take the green, there are two laps left to
finish the race. With the dropping of the yellow, the cars must hold their
"position" (according to the scoring loops in the track) and coast around to
complete the lap, taking the checkered, since the start/finish line is the
official scoring line. Oh, that means that the scoring loops aren't the
official, uh. Hmm. Doesn't make sense, does it.

Welcome to NASCAR in the 21st century.

Carey in Manvel
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Default Re: Scoring - 04-29-2007 , 08:44 PM



In article <56aZh.89211$VU4.8420 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Carey Akin" <cmakin (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote:
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"Matt" <pianoman41 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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I don't get it either. The field is frozen once the caution came out,
and yet Stewart, who was on the lead lap, finishes 28th--two laps
down. How does that happen?

Because the laps are added to the race (which is why NASCAR went for YEARS
without doing this). Once they take the green, there are two laps left to
finish the race. With the dropping of the yellow, the cars must hold their
"position" (according to the scoring loops in the track) and coast around to
complete the lap, taking the checkered, since the start/finish line is the
official scoring line. Oh, that means that the scoring loops aren't the
official, uh. Hmm. Doesn't make sense, does it.

Welcome to NASCAR in the 21st century.

Carey in Manvel
Nothing has changed with regard to finishing/scoring a race under yellow..
The scoring loops only tell you where the cars are, at the moment
the yellow comes out, and are to remain there during the caution.
They do not dictate the finish of the race.
Your race ends when you cross the line after the winner does.
If a car does not make the finish, he is scored with regard to how
many laps he ran in what time.

Just like always.



Dan
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Starting tomorrow.


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Default Re: Scoring - 04-29-2007 , 09:26 PM



On Apr 29, 9:44 pm, chuck_st... (AT) nospam (DOT) com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
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In article <56aZh.89211$VU4.8... (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net>,





"Carey Akin" <cma... (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote:

"Matt" <pianoma... (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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I don't get it either. The field is frozen once the caution came out,
and yet Stewart, who was on the lead lap, finishes 28th--two laps
down. How does that happen?

Because the laps are added to the race (which is why NASCAR went for YEARS
without doing this). Once they take the green, there are two laps left to
finish the race. With the dropping of the yellow, the cars must hold their
"position" (according to the scoring loops in the track) and coast around to
complete the lap, taking the checkered, since the start/finish line is the
official scoring line. Oh, that means that the scoring loops aren't the
official, uh. Hmm. Doesn't make sense, does it.

Welcome to NASCAR in the 21st century.

Carey in Manvel

Nothing has changed with regard to finishing/scoring a race under yellow..
The scoring loops only tell you where the cars are, at the moment
the yellow comes out, and are to remain there during the caution.
They do not dictate the finish of the race.
Your race ends when you cross the line after the winner does.
If a car does not make the finish, he is scored with regard to how
many laps he ran in what time.

Just like always.

Dan
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I'm going to stop putting things off.
Starting tomorrow.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Now I get it. I was also confused as to why Tony ended up 28th, when
the commentators had just finished stating that if a caution came out
during the green/white/checker finish, the field would be frozen at
that instant - using every available means to determine the current
positions - and at the instant the yellow came out, Tony was in 3rd or
4th. What they *didn't* say was that even though their finish spots
were frozen at the instant the yellow was thrown, they *still* had to
then cross the start/finish line to get that frozen position! Kind of
an important thing to leave out, but at least it makes sense now.
Thanks for explaining it guys.

DT



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