Several others witnessed Jeremy's meth use?

#11

Quote:

Goes to show how you shouldn't stick up for people like they
were some sort of hero/victim, when you don't know the whole story.

We will all probably be less likely to take a driver's word next time but
shouldn't let that stop us having some faith in our 'heroes'.

That's my feeling, too.

N.

#12

Nancy2 <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote in
news:d91ba373-4536-48e4-942b-9b56b439bbef (AT) b15g2000yqd (DOT) googlegroups.com:

Quote:

Goes to show how you shouldn't stick up for people like they
were some sort of hero/victim, when you don't know the whole story.

We will all probably be less likely to take a driver's word next time
but shouldn't let that stop us having some faith in our 'heroes'.

That's my feeling, too.

It's my opinion that we have a moral obligation, if a man says he's
innocent, to beleive him until strong evidence is presented against
him.

Unfortunately the evidence against Mayfield is looking stronger.
That's a shame.

John

#13

In article Nancy2 <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote:

Quote:

Goes to show how you shouldn't stick up for people like they
were some sort of hero/victim, when you don't know the whole story.

We will all probably be less likely to take a driver's word next time but
shouldn't let that stop us having some faith in our 'heroes'.

That's my feeling, too.

N.

This situation isn't going to affect how I feel about any future
accusations of anyone.
We will always have our hunches on certain people/situations.
I'm just saying, I wouldn't come out and take a side based on
how I feel about a person too quickly,
with no regard to actual evidence... or lack of it.
You just open yourself up to looking bad, if your hunch was incorrect.

In other words, follow the lesson of the old bull and the young bull
sitting on the top of a hill looking down at the herd of cows...

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Dan

I got a new Matco tool box for my wife.
Best trade I ever made...

#14

In article John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote:

Quote:

Unfortunately the evidence against Mayfield is looking stronger.
That's a shame.

John

Everyone looks at it differently.
I'd think it was a shame, if he did absolutely nothing wrong,
and lost his ability to ever get a ride again.

If he did indeed do drugs, I have no pity for him at all.
None.

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Dan

I got a new Matco tool box for my wife.
Best trade I ever made...

#15

Chuck Steak wrote:

Quote:

In article Nancy2 <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote:

Goes to show how you shouldn't stick up for people like they
were some sort of hero/victim, when you don't know the whole story.
We will all probably be less likely to take a driver's word next time but
shouldn't let that stop us having some faith in our 'heroes'.
That's my feeling, too.

N.

This situation isn't going to affect how I feel about any future
accusations of anyone.
We will always have our hunches on certain people/situations.
I'm just saying, I wouldn't come out and take a side based on
how I feel about a person too quickly,
with no regard to actual evidence... or lack of it.
You just open yourself up to looking bad, if your hunch was incorrect.

OK Gil Grissom.

#16

In article TS02_05champ <tonystewart02_05champ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Chuck Steak wrote:

This situation isn't going to affect how I feel about any future
accusations of anyone.
We will always have our hunches on certain people/situations.
I'm just saying, I wouldn't come out and take a side based on
how I feel about a person too quickly,
with no regard to actual evidence... or lack of it.
You just open yourself up to looking bad, if your hunch was incorrect.

OK Gil Grissom.

I thought it was more Obi Wan Kenobi-ish.

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Dan

No matter how much you push the envelope,
it'll still be stationery

#17

Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com (Chuck Steak) wrote in
news:wL_bm.1780$MA3.458 (AT) nwrddc02 (DOT) gnilink.net:

Quote:

Everyone looks at it differently.
I'd think it was a shame, if he did absolutely nothing wrong,
and lost his ability to ever get a ride again.

That would certainly be a shame and an injustice.

Quote:

If he did indeed do drugs, I have no pity for him at all.
None.

I guess - but it's still a shame that he made such a poor choice,
if he did. He had talent, more so than a good chunk of the
drivers in the field today.

John

#18

In article John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote:

Quote:

Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com (Chuck Steak) wrote in

If he did indeed do drugs, I have no pity for him at all.
None.

I guess - but it's still a shame that he made such a poor choice,
if he did.

John

I understand the emotional side to that.
And it would have made more sense in 1962.
But none of these drivers (or anybody in sports really)
is from a generation that did not pound, and report on the thousands of
people that have made "the poor choice", and died, or somehow screwed up
their lives.
If these people didn't want to pay attention, I have no pity at all for them.
The hazzards of drug use have been pounded to them since they
were kids. And a person Mayfield's age and means has plenty of opportunities
to seek help, if they were stupid enough to start.
Not only did they choose to start, they chose to not get help.

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Dan

No matter how much you push the envelope,
it'll still be stationery

#19

"Chuck Steak" <Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

In article John McCoy <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote:

Chuck_Steak (AT) nospam (DOT) com (Chuck Steak) wrote in

If he did indeed do drugs, I have no pity for him at all.
None.

I guess - but it's still a shame that he made such a poor choice,
if he did.

John

I understand the emotional side to that.
And it would have made more sense in 1962.
But none of these drivers (or anybody in sports really)
is from a generation that did not pound, and report on the thousands of
people that have made "the poor choice", and died, or somehow screwed up
their lives.
If these people didn't want to pay attention, I have no pity at all for
them.
The hazzards of drug use have been pounded to them since they
were kids. And a person Mayfield's age and means has plenty of
opportunities
to seek help, if they were stupid enough to start.
Not only did they choose to start, they chose to not get help.

And that's apparently what NASCAR offered him first, a drug rehab program
and chance to race again.

Starting to feel a little guilty about my initial feelings about NASCAR's
role in this now.

#20

On Jul 28, 9:36*pm, Fish <godwin.da... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

On Jul 28, 8:21*am, A. Jones <ajo... (AT) intrtek (DOT) com> wrote:

Looks like he will also be facing perjury charges...

NASCAR says Mayfield lied to federal court
JENNA FRYER, AP Auto Racing
Mon Jul 27, 5:19 pm ET

CHARLOTTE, N.C. - NASCAR accused Jeremy Mayfield of lying to a federal
court about the chronology of a second random drug test, offering to
provide an audio tape of the conversation in which Mayfield was told
to submit a sample. The driver says the telephone call went to
voicemail.

The accusation came Monday in court filings that ask U.S. District
Court Judge Graham Mullen to lift the July 1 injunction he granted
Mayfield so he could return to racing.

NASCAR disputed the sworn testimony Mayfield provided to U.S. District
Court last week, including the assertion that a July 6 request for a
second drug test went to his voicemail at 1:18 p.m. He said he didn't
get the message until about 40 minutes later, making it difficult for
him to meet the two-hour deadline to report for testing.

NASCAR provided a transcript of the actual conversation between
Mayfield and Regina Sweeney, an employee of Aegis Sciences Corp.,
which runs NASCAR's drug-testing program. NASCAR said it would provide
the recording upon request.

"I'm calling on behalf of NASCAR who has requested that you take a
drug test today within the next two hours ... and I was going to help
find you a location that you could go to based upon where you are
right now," Sweeney said in the transcript.

"Right, well I'm gonna have to - let me talk to my attorney first. ...
So, and I'll get back with you," Mayfield is quoted as replying.

According to Mayfield's affidavit from last week, he was in a meeting
and did not receive the message until 2 p.m. and it was 2:44 p.m. when
he was finally told what labortatory to go to - making it impossible
for him to meet the testing deadline.

"Mayfield appears to have completely "forgotten" that he had a live
conversation with Ms. Sweeney ... in which she advised him he could go
to a testing place ... the address of which Mayfield did not take down
because he wanted to talk to his attorney first," the filing said.

NASCAR also accused Mayfield of lying when he told the court he was
instructed to return to his home at 5 p.m., where he waited almost
three hours for NASCAR representatives to collect a sample.

"This account is contradicted by Mayfield's counsel, who claimed that
at 5:32 p.m., Mayfield was still driving around Concord, looking for
the testing location," the filing said. NASCAR submitted e-mail
exchanges between Mayfield attorney John Buric and its counsel to
contradict Mayfield's claims.

Buric did not immediately return a request for comment.

Mayfield was suspended May 9 for failing a random drug test taken
eight days earlier for what NASCAR has said was a positive test for
methamphetamines. The driver sued, and Mullen lifted the suspension
based on the argument that NASCAR's testing system is flawed.

NASCAR has asked Mullen to reverse the injunction based on new
evidence - the failed July 6 test, and sworn testimony from Mayfield's
estranged stepmother that she witnessed him using meth at least 30
times over the years.

An appeals court last week issued a ruling that put Mayfield back
under suspension, but the request to reverse the injunction is one of
the unresolved legal challenges before Mullen.

NASCAR's filing Monday also contends that in addition to the
eyewitness account from Lisa Mayfield, it has several other witnesses
willing to testify about Mayfield's methamphetamine use if subpoenaed.

"Mayfield has apparently contacted at least one witness to convince
the witness that despite her recollection, he never used drugs," the
filing said.

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incredible. sorry jeremy i don't know if i can believe you
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very nice troll, fish.... you done gonna get a bottom feeder with that
stuff...... ohmiiiiiiiii.....