NASCAR widow's stance has already been heard
HENRY FREDERICK

DAYTONA BEACH -- Even before the U.S. Supreme Court was petitioned
Monday to decide whether Florida's autopsy photo law should be repealed,
the widow of NASCAR legend Dale Earnhardt had already lobbied the justices
to prevent the release of photos in another controversial case.

Teresa Earnhardt filed a brief months ago with the U.S. Supreme Court to
prevent the release of sealed autopsy photos of Vincent Foster, the former
White House deputy counsel to the Clintons who committed suicide, to a
Los Angeles attorney who claims the death was a government conspiracy.

Atlanta-based Judson Graves, one of Earnhardt's lead attorneys, said her
fame is beneficial to all families who "share her pain" when the autopsy
photos of loved ones are released to the public...

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/Speed/Headlines/03SpeedEARN100103.htm

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On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:18:00 GMT, Alan Jones <me (AT) alanjones (DOT) us> wrote:

I dare anyone to present proof that he committed suicide as
claimed.


\\/ayne //\ann

"wayne mann" <tpdl (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote

Duck and cover my friend. Duck and cover...

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:52:33 -0700, wayne mann <tpdl (AT) charter (DOT) net>
wrote:

I dare anyone to present proof otherwise....or to present proof that
someone in the White House outed that CIA operative. I'm getting sick
of these damn political conspiracies.

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:18:00 GMT, Alan Jones <me (AT) alanjones (DOT) us> wrote:


Since you didn't write this (as usual) I doubt you'll know the
answer...but how did she lobby Supreme Court justices? Giving bribes?
Improperly discussing a case on their docket with them? Or did she
just file an amicus brief?

In article <s2cmnvc00f3e4sfld0fr6anm03imbkoohu (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
wayne mann <tpdl (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:
Then I suggest you read Ken Starr's report.

AMEN!! I feel the photos shouldn't be released! I understand that I lot of
people are curios, but think of the families!! If it was your husband or
dad or uncle or brother, etc., would you want the whole world to see the
photos?! I wouldn't! Horray to Teresa for standing up for her family and
others!! My friend's wife works in the ER where he was taken directly from
the track, and from what I hear, it was not a pretty sight...let's just
honor the man for who he was and what he has done!

On Thu, 02 Oct 03 10:05:35 GMT, lparker (AT) NOSPAMemory (DOT) edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

Lloyd, I have read it, and a hell of a lot more, as you damed
well know, and I have challenged you several tiems to meet me at any
appropriate newsgroup of your choice and we would discuss it, but you
have always ran and hid and ignore that. The fact is I have read
virtually everything published about the Foster death including about
50 volumes of Senate investigation material, and every report written
about it.
I repeat, I DARE anyone, including Lloyd to post proof right
here that he committed suicide as claimed! So now Lloyd, either put
up or shut up!

And just a a teaser:


The FBI tells us that no blood was found on Foster's
eyeglasses. (1) Ken Starr quotes Dr. Lee telling us that
bloodstains visible to the naked eye were found on
Foster's eyeglasses. (2) Both official findings cannot be
correct. It is not possible to have visible bloodstains on
the eyeglasses and also have no blood found on the
eyeglasses. One of the findings is wrong and casts doubt
on the other findings. If the FBI was wrong, all of their
findings in the Foster case are suspect. If Dr. Lee was
wrong, all of his findings are suspect and Starr must
explain why he did not reconcile Lee's findings with the
prior investigative record.

(1) Fiske, Exhibit 1, page 10, item Q3. (2) Starr, page 57.

Also there was exploded gun powder from TWO
different bullets on the glasses, yet the gun had one
unfired bullet and one fired bullet in it. The gun
powder from the second bullet was not from that gun.
How do you explain that?


BTW.......

Did you know that the first thing Mrs. Foster said to the
Police when told only that her husband was dead, was
ask, "did he [Foster] put the gun in his own mouth"?
How do you explain that. How did she know he had been
shot? And assuming she saw that he was shot in her
crystal ball, why did she ask if he put the gun in his own
mouth? Who did she think might have done it? (Page
21-Senate Report 103-433)

Explain these to us Lloyd!



\\/ayne //\ann

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:36:30 GMT, "SimRacer"
<no-unc.tarheel.fan (AT) mindspring (DOT) com-spam> wrote:

I know, but how people can allow the government to get away
with something so obvious is beyond me!


\\/ayne //\ann

On Thu, 02 Oct 03 10:05:35 GMT, lparker (AT) NOSPAMemory (DOT) edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:



Here Lloyd, just explain these little problems to us since
you're so knowledgeable! We'll wait right here for your response!


1. The FBI fingerprint expert testified before the
Senate hearing that he received 28 pieces of the "suicide
note" and he returned 28 pieces. The White House and
the media always claims that there is only 27 pieces with
one missing. Who is telling the truth?

2. Three of the top experts in questioned documents
claim that the "suicide note" is a forgery. The
credentials of these people make it hard to not believe
them, therefore the "suicide note" is a forgery. Who
forged it? Who new it was a forgery?

3. Dr. Beyer testified that HE did not take any X-
rays because his X-ray machine was broke, although he
had written on the Autopsy form that he had and
although the two policemen that were in attendance at
the Autopsy said that he did. However in Dr. Beyer's
Deposition to the Committee he stated that he sent the
body out to another facility for the X-rays. He further
says that the X-rays were not processed and back to him
by the time he did the Autopsy. And furthermore the X-
ray machine service company was never called and
never did any repairs on the new X-ray machine for
many months before or after the date of the Autopsy.
Which testimony is the truth and which is a lie?

4. Deborah Gorham, Foster's secretary, testified
that she placed two large manila envelopes in the safe--
one addressed "For Eyes Only" to White House
Associate Counsel William Kennedy, the other to
Attorney General Janet Reno - and that Nussbaum
asked for the combination to the safe after Foster's
death. Deborah Gorham, told investigators for Kenneth
Starr that on the day before he died, Foster received a
document related to Systematics. And this was a
document disappeared from his office after his death.
What happened to the three envelopes? What was in
them? Why did Foster leave them? Kennedy did NOT
receive his envelope. He does NOT know what
happened to it.

5. And finally on pages 1782, 1783, and 1784 of the
Senate report there is a report of a father-son towing
company, towing a car to the FBI garage that same
evening that had the drivers window broken out and
blood all over the dash. What is the bottom line on this?
Why didn't the FBI at least go and talk to these people
in person, rather than talking to the father on the phone
only?

6. .I submitted a copy of the picture leaked to the
press by the White House that supposedly shows the gun
in Vince Foster's hand to one of the most expert shops,
to have it computer enhanced, enlarged and/or turned
into a holographic picture. After studying the pictures
very carefully, it is my opinion beyond a shadow of
doubt that this picture is a FORGERY. The thumb
going through the gun is too long and at a weird angle.
We now have forged pictures and "suicide note."

7. No proof that it was his gun.

8. .Suspicious people were seen in and around
victim's car just before the body was found. There are
now three witnesses to this.

9. .Several eyewitnesses saw the victim's briefcase
in his car, yet it vanished.

10. .All 35mm film of crime scene vanished.

11. .Many of the Polaroid photos vanished.

12. .Fiske conceded victim's head mysteriously
moved after death.

13. .Car keys were not found with victim at crime
scene. How did he drive car without keys?

14. .The gun was not seen in hand by the eyewitness
who found the body. CONFIDENTIAL WITNESS, the
first eyewitness, saw no gun nor did USPP Fornshill the
first police witness and probably also the second
witness.

15. .No blood splatter found, this is inconsistent with
suicide.

16. .No bone fragments were found, part of victim's
skull missing.

17. .Suspicious x-rays vanished with no satisfactory
explanation. Dr Beyer told two police witnesses to
autopsy that he had X-rays. He marked the form that
he had X-rays. However when he testified he said that,
"he did not take X-rays," because the X-ray machine
was broke. However the machine was a near new
machine and the records of the service company shows
that he never had service on the machine before or after
that date. There are many X-rays from before and after
that date. But when he gave a Deposition to the Senate
under oath he said that he sent the body out to another
facility for the X-rays.

18. .Dr. Beyer has a history of mistaking a homicide
for suicide. He has claimed two different people
committed suicide who were proved to have been
murdered. He is almost 80 years old and in
incompetent.

19. .Victim's head wound not consistent with a high
velocity .38 cal. Dr Haut the Medical Doctor that saw
Foster at the scene said the bullet would looked like a
"Low Velocity" bullet wound. A .38 in NOT a low
velocity.

20. .No fingerprints on torn up note, except
Nussbaum's.

21. .Wounds seen on victims neck by paramedics.
Photo computer enhanced shows a bullet wound on neck
as well.

22. .Dr. Huat & paramedics said they viewed the
body 200 feet from the official site. How did they see
the body in one location and the official reports say the
body was somewhere else?

23. .One paramedic listed death as a homicide on his
report.

24. .Oddly no dirt was found on victim's shoes. This
park is not like most parks. There is no grass or lawn.
It is a forest covered with heavy brush and weeds. Even
Mike Wallace the pathological liar from 60 minutes
admits that it is impossible to walk the 700 feet through
the park without getting dirt all over your shoes.
Foster's shoes did not even have the shine dulled.

25. .Numerous hairs and carpet fibers covered
victims clothing. Far too many fibers unless he had
been laying on the floor or coming into contact with
carpet in some other way. The myth that his house had
new carpet so that accounts for it is ridiculous. You
could walk on new carpet for a month and never get
anywhere close to the amount of fibers on your clothes
that Foster did.

26. .Whereabouts of victim in hours before death is a
mystery. Supposedly no one saw him for several hours?

27. .No farewell to his family.

28. .A letter mailed to his mother as he left his office
for the last time offered no last farewell.

29. .He was planning to resign his White House
position.

30. .Only two bullets in gun. No matching bullets
were in his home or car.

31. .Experts say he had to hold gun in a VERY
awkward position.

32. .The victim planned to give his visiting sister a
tour of the White House the next day.

33. .The victim's friend and attorney Jim Lyon's was
coming from Colorado to meet with him the next day.

34. .He had a full lunch before leaving to kill himself
and told his staff he would be back.

35. .Ft. Marcy is a secluded, suspicious place, known
for illicit activity.

36. .The victim was never known to visit Ft. Marcy
Park.

37. .No bullet was ever found.

38. .The attitude of the body was not consistent with
suicide.

39. .There was no motive for the victim to kill
himself.

40. .No one heard the shot.

41. .No actions or words at home or work signaled
victim was suicidal.

42. .The FBI Director was fired the day before the
victim died, which left the FBI without leadership and
consequently they never took over the investigation as
they should have by law..

43. .The FBI was kept out of the initial investigation.

44. .The lead Investigator at the body site was
performing his first homicide investigation. Soon after
this person transferred to a much better job in
California.

45. . How did he shoot himself and THEN throw his
glasses 19 feet through some heavy brush from his head,
while ending up lying down supine and perfectly
straight, legs together, with arms straight down at his
side, the gun still in his hand, and trickles of blood
running from his mouth in several directions, including
uphill? How did a particle of gunpowder get on his
glasses that did NOT come from the gun supposedly he
killed himself with. That indicates that another bullet
had been fired besides the one that supposedly killed
him. But wait, he only fired one bullet, where did the
other particle come from then?

46. .Blood was on victim's, belt, shoes, and shirt but
NOT on the gun.

47. .Victim's appointment book was never found. It
has finally been found out that Nussbaum has been
hiding it all this time.

48. .Victim made suspicious one day trips to
Switzerland, that his wife was never aware of. He had
purchased another ticket to go to Switzerland and had
canceled it, and had then bought another ticket to
somewhere.

49. .Victim was a $300,000 a year successful lawyer
with an overdrawn checking account.

50. .A suspicious paper with initials "C,H,B" was
found in victim's wallet. These could be explained as
deposit records of accounts that were in the name of
Chelsea Clinton and one or the other parent.

51. .Police were prevented from searching victim's
home and office. Maggie William's absconded with some
files out of his office the night he died. She also said,
when testifying, "the night Foster was killed....."

52. .Victim's widow was not interviewed for ten days
after the death.

53. .No proof that gun found with victim fired the
fatal shot.

54. .Park Police and FBI photos and reports are kept
from public view.

55. .The Fiske Report contains numerous factual
errors regarding time and geography at crime scene.

56. .A vehicle seen at park by Police and Rescue
eyewitnesses was ignored in official record.

57. .Park Police concluded their investigation
BEFORE they sent the gun for testing to see if it would
fire.

58. .Death was ruled a suicide before the
investigators viewed the body.

59. .The crime scene was not secured.

60. .No damage to victim's teeth from the recoil of a
..38 placed deep in his mouth.

61. .Conflicting testimony regarding what time the
victim was identified.

62. .There is no evidence to support the official
conclusion the victim lost weight. The only evidence is
that he gained weight.

63. .Conflicting testimony regarding when the White
House knew of death from as early as 6:00 PM to the
official time of 8:30 PM.

64. .Suspicious length of investigation of a simple
suicide. It is still ongoing after two years with no end in
sight.

65. .Eyewitness testimony conflicts whether the
victim's car was locked.

66. .Interference with prosecutor Rodriguez
questioning and the Washington grand jury suspected in
his eventual resignation.

67. .Marsha Scott met with, her friend of 20 years,
Foster in an unusual 1-2 hour closed door meeting the
day before he died. Yet she says that she cannot
remember what they talked about. This bunch that
can't shoot straight, has the poorest memory of any
group ever questioned. They must think if they all get
amnesia that everything will be OK.

68. .After Foster died the only thing Ms. Scott could
remember discussing from her long meeting was that
Foster had a good weekend. Just one more liar. This
group are all liars.

69. .There was unusually little blood at the scene
according to rescue workers.

70. .The first cannon where some witnesses say the
body was near has been removed from the park.

71. .The ABC News photo published showing
Foster's hand with the gun is not consistent with
eyewitness accounts of the gun and hand position.

72. .The victim's office, a secondary crime scene, was
cleansed of evidence and documents by co-workers of
the deceased.

73. .The victim's personal effects including his pager
were returned to the White House within 24 hours and
before analysis, after the White House were willing to
break into a locked desk at the police station to retrieve
the pager that night rather than waiting until the next
morning.

74. .The neighborhood around the crime scene at Ft.
Marcy Park was not canvassed by police until two years
later.

75. .Several police officers in Arkansas have given
sworn depositions that they knew of Foster's death
around 6:00 PM EST, before police and rescue workers
arrived at Ft. Marcy Park.

76. .The victim's car was never checked for carpet
fibers or fingerprints according to all of the reports, yet
Dr. Haut says in his statement to the FBI that they were
fingerprinting the car while he was there that night.

77. .Official records do not agree when the body was
moved.

78. .Eyewitnesses disagree about where the body was
found and the position of Foster's hands.

79. .Police and rescue workers have been forbidden
to discuss the case. What are they hiding? If it was a
suicide, the press should be able to talk to the people
who were at the scene. The public has a right to know.

80. : No one has reported an investigation into Vince
Foster's 1988 trip to Batman, Turkish Kurdistan, to
which there are no scheduled airline flights,

81. : The White House claims that the papers that
were removed from Foster's office were personal papers
of the Clintons that related to Whitewater. Vince
Foster was not the Clintons' personal attorney. Since
then it has been learned that many papers, ledgers,
memo's, and diary's were withheld.

82. The gun was composed of parts from *two
different guns*;

83. : The serial numbers had been ground off both
parts. From these points we can deduce that it's most
unlikely that he could have obtained the gun thru
normal, legal sources. But as a White House attorney,
would he have risked trying to buy the obviously-dirty
gun on the *street*? Seems most unlikely, when he
could have avoided all risk of embarrassing his
employer by simply using one of his family guns.
(Although if he was in fact planning to kill himself, the
possibility of being caught buying a gun in D.C. from a
street source would have been way down on his list of
concerns.)

84. : Lisa Foster called Bernard Nussbaum the
morning after Foster's death at 7:30 am and asked if
Vince had been fired. Was she looking for a reason?

85. : What was Hubbell looking for when he
searched Foster's house?

86. : Hubbell said that to not believe any word of the
suicide story, and that there was no way it could have
been suicide.

87. : When interviewing Lisa Foster, the FBI showed
her a silver colored gun which she recognized. The
silver gun was NOT the gun found with Foster, which
was a dark gun.

88. : Lisa Foster was apparently given $250,000 just
prior to her husband's death.

89. : Web Hubbell, in his testimony to the recent
Whitewater hearings, when describing his actions
FOLLOWING notification of Foster's death said, "We
searched for Vince Foster's gun in his house". Web
Hubbell may have taken the silver colored gun from
Foster's house to show to Lisa Foster(See above).

90. The photograph Foster hand was obtained by
Reuters News Agency and broadcast by ABC Television
shortly after Vincent Foster was found dead in Fort
Marcy Park. This photograph purports to show the
right hand of Vincent Foster holding the handgun with
which he supposedly shot himself in the mouth. Aside
from the obvious lack of blood in the scene, please note
the color of the handgun, which is dark. This color
matches the description of the gun as reported in the
previous Senate Whitewater hearings.

91. Page 14 is the first of four pages scanned from
FBI report 29D-LR-35063. The marks in black were on
the document as provided to me. The areas in white
with hand drawn question marks are areas which were
whited out prior to the release of the document. This
document, 29D-LR-35063, is the summary of the
interview held by the FBI with Lisa Foster following the
discovery of her husband's body in Fort Marcy Park.
Note that Lisa Foster is shown a gun by the FBI
interviewer and states it is a gun she believes she has
seen before.

92. Page 15 of 29D-LR-35063. Towards the bottom,
Lisa Foster returns to the subject of the handgun she
has been previously shown and how she believes it
traveled from Little Rock to Washington D.C. In
describing how she found the gun in Foster's pre-packed
trunk, and then repacking it in her own belongings, she
describes the gun as "silver colored".

93. : Page 16 of 29D-LR-35063. Towards the bottom,
is the comment that Foster did not like guns. Following
this is an observation that Lisa Foster verified that a
gun she knew to be in the house was where she expected
to find it, and AGAIN refers to "silver color" in
describing the gun from the trunk in Little Rock.

94. The statement on page 16 is Lisa Foster's belief
that the gun found at Fort Marcy Park is the same gun,
described previously as "silver colored", that she
packed in Little Rock to bring to Washington D.C.

95. : Page 17 of 29D-LR-35063. This concludes the
sentence begun on the bottom of page 16. The sentence
reads," LISA FOSTER believes that the gun found at
Fort Marcy Park may be the SILVER GUN which she
brought up with her other belongings when she
permanently moved to Washington".

96. From the above, it is inescapable that Lisa Foster
was shown a gun she recognized, even though that gun
she was shown was clearly NOT the gun in the
photograph of Vincent Foster's hand in the ABC TV
photograph.

97. It is therefore LOGICAL to conclude that Lisa
Foster was NOT shown the gun which was found with
Vincent Foster. Were the suicide genuine, there would
be no reasonable explanation to switch guns.

98. It would make logical sense if 'We searched for
Vince Foster's gun in his house' to find and TAKE a
gun to show to Lisa Foster to help sell the apparent
suicide, not expecting a photo of the real suicide gun to
hit the TV news.

99. One hardly asks the FBI to distort evidence by
showing the wrong gun to the widow in a real suicide.
It is therefore logical to conclude that if we are not
dealing with a suicide, then we MUST be dealing with a
murder.

100. The fact that the FBI showed the wrong colored
gun to Lisa Foster, while telling her it was the gun
found with Foster's body, is the strangest single piece of
evidence of a cover-up. One doesn't need to cover-up a
suicide. One covers-up a murder.

101. From the above, given the two different guns,
and Webster Hubbel's now public admission that he
searched Vincent Foster's home for a gun, despite a gun
found with Vincent Foster's body, one must conclude
that Webster Hubbell is the most likely source of the
silver colored gun which the FBI showed to Lisa Foster.
Lisa Foster recognized the gun. How could she not? It
had been searched for in her house by Webster Hubbell,
by his own admission.

102. "Don't believe a word you hear. It was not
suicide. It couldn't have been." -Assistant Attorney
General Webster Hubbell, 7/20/93, cited in Esquire,
11/93.

103. .Fiske said Foster's body was placed in a body
bag at the park at 8:45 PM but the ambulance log shows
Foster's body left the park at 8:16 PM.

104. .Fiske said the Medical Examiner arrived at the
park at 7:40 PM but the doctor told the FBI he arrived
at 6:45 PM.

105. .Fiske said Foster lost weight due to depression,
but he weighed 194 pounds on December 31, 1992 and
197 pounds at his autopsy in July. He GAINED weight,
not to mention lost blood.

106. .Fiske said the FBI laboratory performed an
through analysis of the available evidence, but they
never researched the origins carpet fibers and hairs
found all over Foster.

107. .Fiske said there was only one vehicular entrance
to the park neglecting to mention two other roads,
including a old road since the Civil War, closest to the
body by 300 feet.

108. .Fiske said the Saudi Ambassador's residence
was the closest building to the park, yet at least seven
homes are closer.

109. .Fiske said there was a large pool of blood under
Foster's body but observers including Park Police, said
there was very little blood in their depositions.

110. .Fiske implied that the gun found was identified
by the family with misleading statements. He ignored
statements by family that indicted the gun was not
Foster's

111. In the words of the FBI interview of the only
doctor who examined the body at Ft. Marcy, Doctor
Haut, "believed the wound was consistent with a 'low
velocity weapon.'" The revolver the Fiske Report
described as the death gun is NOT a "low velocity
weapon." How does the Fiske Report reconcile the
doctor's statement? The doctor's statement is not
mentioned at all in the Fiske Report.

112. Investigator Cheryl Braun said, "It seems to me
we made that determination [suicide] PRIOR to going
up and looking at the body."

113. The Park Police "closed" the Foster investigation
ruling it a suicide on 8/5/93, PRIOR to sending the gun
found at the scene, for testing on 8/11/93. One of the
tests ordered was to see if it could actually fire.

114. According to the story, White House nanny
Helen Dickey called Gov. Tucker's Mansion sometime
before 6:00 PM EDT and spoke to State Trooper Roger
Perry telling him that Foster Killed Himself in the
White House Parking Lot. According to Testimony, the
White House wasn't notified of Foster's death until
sometime after 8:30 PM. Perry passed the call on to
Betty Tucker. - Interesting

115. John Crudele in the New York Post 8/8/95
reported that the White House called Gov. Jim Tucker
in Arkansas with news of Foster's death at 4:48 PM
EDT on July 20, 1993. This is interesting because the
body was not discovered until 5:45 PM EDT the 911 call
reporting the body 5:59 PM, Park Police reached the
body at 6:14 PM, and the White house claims they did
not learn of Foster's death until 8:30 PM.

116. Who is the mysterious blonde whose hairs were
found on Vince? Any why isn't it mentioned that carpet
fibers and semen were found on his shorts?

117. Dr. Beyer, and his supposed long track record of
misdiagnosing, or misattributing "suicides"? Has
anyone run any investigation into the "Funeral home"
in Washington, or No. Virginia that "prepared" Mr.
Foster's body. I understand there are some very
troubling stories there. Much has been written about
the circumstances of Mr. Foster's ODD DEATH: no X-
rays, broken X-ray machine, no crime scene photos,
overexposed/damaged 35mm crime scene photos, "lost"
crime scene photos, Confidential witnesses who said
there was no gun at the scene when he discovered the
body, hairs, fibers, semen, no dirt or residue on Foster's
shoes or clothing from his "walk" to the "scene", blood,
no blood, blue gun, silver gun, car keys not found at the
scene after a search of his trousers, car keys found at
the morgue later in same pants pockets previously
"searched" at the "scene", surrounding houses and
residents never interviewed in the "investigation" of his
death, until many months later, and on and on.

118. There is a report to the FBI about a Towing
company towing a car with blood on the dash and the
drivers window broken out that night from Ft. Marcy
Park, yet the FBI doesn't even go talk to the man or his
son who run the towing service.

119 No fingerprints on the gun.



Anyone that can explain away all of this should
be recognized as the smartest person in the world,
because it isn't possible.]







\\/ayne //\ann