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Default Thoughts on the 88 - 05-04-2009 , 11:52 PM






I am in the small percentage of fans who neither worship, nor despise
Jr. I think he comes across as a decent guy, I have only been
following Nascar for 3 years, so I don't have the knowledge to
critique his driving skills. I actually sympathize with him, in that
he is sort of in a no-win situation. People say he is only here
because of his name, and resent him for not being as good as Sr.
Having that last name has got to be a huge burden, regardless of the
benefits it has provided for him. That being said, he missed his stall
AGAIN last week in the NW race. He was quoted saying " We didn't talk
about where my stall was, so I didn't even know". He has had trouble
finding his stall all year. He said "I got on pit road for the first
stop and din't even know where my stall was. I got behind a couple of
guys and never saw my sign, and just missed it." How can you defend
those statements? I really want to pull for the guy, but WTF? Isn't
that the equivalent of a QB not knowing anything about the defense? I
applaud his honesty, but that is scary stuff! Does he not even care
enought to consider looking ahead to know where he pits? Is his
organization that poor that no one is smart enough to realize that he
has to be told such basic important info? I root for the guy, but
after reading this, I am starting to believe he just doesn't give a
shit. Sean


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Default Re: Thoughts on the 88 - 05-05-2009 , 02:19 AM






On May 4, 9:52*pm, BOSSFA... (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:
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I am in the small percentage of fans who neither worship, nor despise
Jr. *I think he comes across as a decent guy, I have only been
following Nascar for 3 years, so I don't have the knowledge *to
critique his driving skills. I actually sympathize with him, in that
he is sort of in a no-win situation. People say he is only here
because of his name, and resent him for not being as good as Sr.
Having that last name has got to be a huge burden, regardless of the
benefits it has provided for him. That being said, he missed his stall
AGAIN last week in the NW race. He was quoted saying " We didn't talk
about where my stall was, so I didn't even know". He has had trouble
finding his stall all year. He said "I got on pit road for the first
stop and din't even know where my stall was. I got behind a couple of
guys and never saw my sign, and just missed it." How can you defend
those statements? I really want to pull for the guy, but WTF? Isn't
that the equivalent of a QB not knowing anything about the defense? I
applaud his honesty, but that is scary stuff! Does he not even care
enought to consider looking ahead to know where he pits? Is his
organization that poor that no one is smart enough to realize that he
has to be told such basic important info? I root for the guy, but
after reading this, I am starting to believe he just doesn't give a
shit. Sean
I like Jr. but I think his wave has crested.

He seems to have lost whatever he had after his wreck in the Vette a
few years ago.


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Default Re: Thoughts on the 88 - 05-05-2009 , 09:01 AM




"DAVe" <smalleyster (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

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I like Jr. but I think his wave has crested.

He seems to have lost whatever he had after his wreck in the Vette a
few years ago.
I don't think that wreck affected him... he still makes some "brave" moves
in the car, so I don't think he's lacking because of fear... I think it's
much simpler than that... when drivers are on a "high" from performing well,
they do better... He's not had that "high" for some time now and it shows...




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Default Re: Thoughts on the 88 - 05-05-2009 , 01:01 PM



On May 5, 7:01*am, "Joey Tribiani" <J... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
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"DAVe" <smalleys... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message

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*>I like Jr. but I think his wave has crested.

He seems to have lost whatever he had after his wreck in the Vette a
few years ago.

I don't think that wreck affected him... he still makes some "brave" moves
in the car, so I don't think he's lacking because of fear... I think it's
much simpler than that... when drivers are on a "high" from performing well,
they do better... He's not had that "high" for some time now and it shows....
Well I will have to disagree. Take Richmond as one example of dozens.
They were showing his in-car. Someone swerved close to him and he
backed off, like he almost always does. Then watch Kyle. When someone
gets close he hits the gas.

Sterling Marlin once pointed out that he was successful because when
he saw trouble his normal response was to hit the gas while everyone
else was hitting the brakes.

IMHO this is the main difference between Kyle and Jr on track.



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Default Re: Thoughts on the 88 - 05-05-2009 , 02:10 PM




"DAVe" <smalleyster (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

On May 5, 7:01 am, "Joey Tribiani" <J... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
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"DAVe" <smalleys... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message

news:6b7ae82f-de67-41e3-8b87-73ab9ff461a8 (AT) g20g2000vba (DOT) googlegroups.com...
I like Jr. but I think his wave has crested.

He seems to have lost whatever he had after his wreck in the Vette a
few years ago.

I don't think that wreck affected him... he still makes some "brave" moves
in the car, so I don't think he's lacking because of fear... I think it's
much simpler than that... when drivers are on a "high" from performing
well,
they do better... He's not had that "high" for some time now and it
shows...
Well I will have to disagree. Take Richmond as one example of dozens.
They were showing his in-car. Someone swerved close to him and he
backed off, like he almost always does. Then watch Kyle. When someone
gets close he hits the gas.

Sterling Marlin once pointed out that he was successful because when
he saw trouble his normal response was to hit the gas while everyone
else was hitting the brakes.

IMHO this is the main difference between Kyle and Jr on track.

===========

I agree with your point that better drivers will try to drive through
trouble, but I don't think it's the main difference. The main difference
between Kyle and Junior is focus. Kyle has far fewer distractions than does
Junior.

I also think Kyle is simply more talented than Jr. too.




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Default Re: Thoughts on the 88 - 05-05-2009 , 02:46 PM



In article "armpit" <armarmpitpit (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

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I also think Kyle is simply more talented than Jr. too.

That's about all that really needs to be said....


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Default Re: Thoughts on the 88 - 05-05-2009 , 04:36 PM



On May 5, 1:46 pm, Chuck_St... (AT) nospam (DOT) com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
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In article "armpit" <armarmpit... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

I also think Kyle is simply more talented than Jr. too.

That's about all that really needs to be said....
I see someone has predicted Kyle will beat the King's record - I'm not
sure that's doable - especially if we're talking Cup wins. What do
you think? Even if he wins 7 a year (starting with year 1), that
would take 28 years - I think even for Kyle, that would be asking a
lot, especially with the ever-increasing level of competition.

N.


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Default Re: Thoughts on the 88 - 05-05-2009 , 04:55 PM



DAVe wrote:
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On May 4, 9:52 pm, BOSSFA... (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:
I am in the small percentage of fans who neither worship, nor despise
Jr. I think he comes across as a decent guy, I have only been
following Nascar for 3 years, so I don't have the knowledge to
critique his driving skills. I actually sympathize with him, in that
he is sort of in a no-win situation. People say he is only here
because of his name, and resent him for not being as good as Sr.
Having that last name has got to be a huge burden, regardless of the
benefits it has provided for him. That being said, he missed his stall
AGAIN last week in the NW race. He was quoted saying " We didn't talk
about where my stall was, so I didn't even know". He has had trouble
finding his stall all year. He said "I got on pit road for the first
stop and din't even know where my stall was. I got behind a couple of
guys and never saw my sign, and just missed it." How can you defend
those statements? I really want to pull for the guy, but WTF? Isn't
that the equivalent of a QB not knowing anything about the defense? I
applaud his honesty, but that is scary stuff! Does he not even care
enought to consider looking ahead to know where he pits? Is his
organization that poor that no one is smart enough to realize that he
has to be told such basic important info? I root for the guy, but
after reading this, I am starting to believe he just doesn't give a
shit. Sean

I like Jr. but I think his wave has crested.

He seems to have lost whatever he had after his wreck in the Vette a
few years ago.
What he lost, was TES. 16 wins with TES, and 2 with TUJ.


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Default Re: Thoughts on the 88 - 05-05-2009 , 05:05 PM



DAVe wrote:
Quote:
On May 5, 7:01 am, "Joey Tribiani" <J... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
"DAVe" <smalleys... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message

news:6b7ae82f-de67-41e3-8b87-73ab9ff461a8 (AT) g20g2000vba (DOT) googlegroups.com...
I like Jr. but I think his wave has crested.

He seems to have lost whatever he had after his wreck in the Vette a
few years ago.
I don't think that wreck affected him... he still makes some "brave" moves
in the car, so I don't think he's lacking because of fear... I think it's
much simpler than that... when drivers are on a "high" from performing well,
they do better... He's not had that "high" for some time now and it shows...

Well I will have to disagree. Take Richmond as one example of dozens.
They were showing his in-car. Someone swerved close to him and he
backed off, like he almost always does. Then watch Kyle. When someone
gets close he hits the gas.

Sterling Marlin once pointed out that he was successful because when
he saw trouble his normal response was to hit the gas while everyone
else was hitting the brakes.

IMHO this is the main difference between Kyle and Jr on track.

Jr has ALWAYS driven like that. Remember the all star race that he LET
Newman win? He could have easy moved RN out of the way and got the victory.

I posted a few yrs ago that Jr is "too nice" on the track. He won't move
someone out of his way. I think he didn't / doesn't want to get his
fathers reputation as a "dirty driver", because he wants people to like him.

IMO, that is why Mark Martin has never won a championship.


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Default Re: Thoughts on the 88 - 05-05-2009 , 05:07 PM



Chuck Steak wrote:
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In article "armpit" <armarmpitpit (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

I also think Kyle is simply more talented than Jr. too.


That's about all that really needs to be said....
Why is it always about KyB?

I don't see anyone else beating KyB either.


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