I think this is such a bad move for him. With the difficulties he has
being a driver, in the media for one reason and then another, I don't
think he can also handle the added responsibility and criticism that
comes with being an owner. I hate to say it but he will probably never
win another championship.

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On Jul 10, 3:18 pm, Alan Jones <ajo... (AT) intrtek (DOT) com> wrote:
you know what, i disagree, i think tony has the right stuff to be an
owner, he can finally speak his mind because he is his own boss
(office depot and old spice know what they're getting), and with the
hendrick backing, his team has the equipment it needs. Despite what
people think, the engines that go out to the HMS satelite teams, are
exactly the same as those that go to the 5, 24,48 and 88. all the
engines are built, numbered and then shipped out at random. ESPN did a
tour of HMS last year, and all of their satelite teams get the same
stuff as the main team

"Alan Jones" <ajones (AT) intrtek (DOT) com> wrote

Again clueless as ever.

Carey in Lawrenceburg

On Jul 10, 3:40 pm, Fish <davester_... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Agreed on Tony's potential as an owner.

For Hendrick's sake, I hope the engine program *is* on the level and
that the process is so transparent they're constantly clearing dead
birds away from the bottom of the glass. The reason being, of course,
that Tony is not known to suffer injustices, real or perceived, for
any appreciable length of time.

That said, I don't have any serious doubts that Hendrick is on the
level about the engine program right now. He's supplying engines to a
team not much better off than MWR in performance terms and driver
talent, which means to this point I don't think he's risking much at
all. Going forward though, I have to think that Tony and Newman
present a slightly different situation.

The questions I have about the arrangement are more or less economic.
I think we can call it a fact that Rick wouldn't supply engines to
other teams if it would hurt his bottom line. That leads me to the
next questions, which I don't anticipate seeing an answer to before
2010.

1. Just how many points, purses, and sponsor TV time can Rick tolerate
giving up to somebody running his leased equipment before it starts to
bite his bottom line?

2. Are Tony and Ryan capable of reaching that mark?

3. If they can reach that mark, does Rick kill the deal, or just
renegotiate (either by upping the lease price, or by offering an
'economy' engine that uses last year's tech at the original price and
a 'performance' engine at a new rate)?

4. In the event that the deal really skews the other way and Rick
receives a cut of the profits earned with his equipment, how much and
how long would Tony be on board with the engine leasing deal?

Maybe somebody else out there can think of one, but I can't come up
with any current examples of a superteam like Hendrick sharing any
kind of resources with a team of equal caliber (and it would be hard
to say Tony and Ryan aren't drivers on a similar caliber to the HMS
boys). Rousch-Yates, RCR-DEI, JGR-HoF, all of those three have the
dominant partner, and then a much less competitive group that they
happily take money from. Rousch likely doesn't stay up at night
worrying about Yates cars beating him for a championship (though his
situation is odd, with Yates supposedly providing engines in exchange
for, well, not much at all). Likewise with Childress-DEI, and Gibbs-
HoF.

The only tech-swap between similar teams is GEM-Petty, but even then,
GEM is the dominant group if we're looking at the numbers between
Kahne and Bobby.

Of course by now I'm likely arguing a point that everyone already
knows --- the engine deal could work out great for a year or two, but
would ultimately fall apart in the long run if both teams are gunning
to be top dog.

-Steven

What sickens me is that Tony is going to come crawling up Rick Hendricks'
porch like Jr., begging "Oh, Rick, I'll su*k your dick if you give me some
engines...



Disgusting.



I can't wait till Logano puts his Hendrick powered ass in the wall like Kyle
has been doing to Jr.

I'm specifically talking about being a Cup team owner. Being a
Nationwide Series owner does not compare with what it takes to run
a Cup team. Owning a truck team is another step down in difficulty.
In comparison, I feel like Tony's experience owning Sprint Cars is
virtually meaningless and not worth mentioning.

I wish him the best but this seems like a bad move, and it all
started because he doesn't like the Tieyoder brand name. (rolls eyes)

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:00:20 -0000, you wrote:

"Rock Yo' bama" <Schmo (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote

Haas already gets their engines from HMS. Not sure why you had to put a
begging homo spin on it.

I'm looking forward to seeing if Joey has the "right stuff" for Cup. He'll
certainly have the car to do it.

"Rock Yo' bama" <Schmo (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote

Just like RCR, Roush, HMS, and JGR, Tony can shell out some more buck and start his own engine
program. Hell, he's got a sponsor (Haas CNC) who can supply him all the machinery he needs for free!
BTW.... paying someone several million dollars a year for some competitive engines isn't considered
"sucking dick".

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"....This is not a stick and ball sport....You just don't go 'play' racing......"
(Brad Daugherty - ESPN)

Alan Jones wrote:

It's called a conflict of interest.

http://www.eldoraspeedway.com/sponsors.html

And why should he continue to drive for someone else when he can be an
owner?

TS02_05champ wrote:
just think. if Alan received a ($) every time he typed (rolls eyes)
he'd me a millionaire...

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