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Carey Akin
 
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Default Re: TV Deal - 12-15-2005 , 10:16 AM







"Nancy1" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote

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Well, one of my nightmares is going to come true - Rusty is signed on
with ABC starting in '07, and will be doing the Chase. I must have
been awful naughty in a previous lifetime to have to suffer like
this....

It could be worse, it could be Herman. I can only take him in small doses.
While he is entertaining, the hyper personality really gets on my nerves.

After listening to Rusty, Larry Mac may well end up sounding like a scholar.


Carey in Manvel




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Default Re: TV Deal - 12-15-2005 , 10:32 AM







Carey Akin wrote:
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"Nancy1" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote in message
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Well, one of my nightmares is going to come true - Rusty is signed on
with ABC starting in '07, and will be doing the Chase. I must have
been awful naughty in a previous lifetime to have to suffer like
this....

It could be worse, it could be Herman. I can only take him in small doses.
While he is entertaining, the hyper personality really gets on my nerves.

After listening to Rusty, Larry Mac may well end up sounding like a scholar.


Carey in Manvel
I like Herman - announcing, he'd be fine. It's the chit-chat that does
him in.

The thing about Rusty is, that it's always ALL about Rusty. No matter
the subject, he always turns it around to talk about himself. That's
what makes me cringe.

N.



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Chuck Steak
 
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Default Re: TV Deal - 12-15-2005 , 12:35 PM



In article <1134658191.955120.184260 (AT) o13g2000cwo (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
"Nancy1" <nancy-dooley (AT) uiowa (DOT) edu> wrote:

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Well, one of my nightmares is going to come true - Rusty is signed on
with ABC starting in '07, and will be doing the Chase. I must have
been awful naughty in a previous lifetime to have to suffer like
this....

N.
you and me both...
talk about painful...



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Default Re: TV Deal - 12-15-2005 , 03:18 PM




"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote

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"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in
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I think the new fans actually resent how much some of the announcers
know about racing, since they seem to pan worst on those who have been
around the longest and know the most.

There may be some of that.

OTOH, us experienced fans are justified in critiquing the
announcers, and in expecting improvement when they're not
doing the job as well as could be.
Key word: critiquing - Very few here *do that* and simply slam on someone,
whom for whatever reason, they just don't "like". Critiquing implies, to me
at least, a modicum of objectivety. Most of the stuff in here is quite
subjective, and that's being nice about it quite frankly. lol

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Consider Ken Squier - a man with a vast knowledge of NASCAR
racing, and beyond that a short track owner & race promoter.
But in the last years of his broadcast career, he was a
lousy broadcaster. Due to age, poor directors, or what,
I don't know; but he wasn't accurate in calling what happened
on screen, and you thus couldn't trust his call on what was
off screen. Knowledge wasn't helping there.
Squier did some stuff last year IIRC, and I agree with you. I think his best
years in the booth have passed him by. I'm not sure I'd take Chris Myers
over him yet, but it's gotten close.

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Mike Joy is much better than Webber (who scripts his spiel,
incredibly enough), but even his call is not of the quality
he had a few years back. Personally, I blame it on the
"three buds in a bar" style which Fox wants out of the crew,
not any failing in Mike's abilities.
I don't mind the laid back approach to the booth callers for Fox. It's
better than pure broadcast calling and dull technical color commentary IMO.
That's why I've never called out BP or Wally from the NBC team. They may be
goofy at times, but there are worse ways for them to carry on. And their
antics are a badly needed offset for Webber's often dry and bland delivery
of his canned facts and mind-numbing soliloquies.

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John



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Crusader
 
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Default Re: TV Deal - 12-15-2005 , 04:27 PM



"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote

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"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in
news:XaYnf.1268$7A4.164791 (AT) twister (DOT) southeast.rr.com:

I think the new fans actually resent how much some of the announcers
know about racing, since they seem to pan worst on those who have been
around the longest and know the most.

There may be some of that.

OTOH, us experienced fans are justified in critiquing the
announcers, and in expecting improvement when they're not
doing the job as well as could be.

Consider Ken Squier - a man with a vast knowledge of NASCAR
racing, and beyond that a short track owner & race promoter.
But in the last years of his broadcast career, he was a
lousy broadcaster. Due to age, poor directors, or what,
I don't know; but he wasn't accurate in calling what happened
on screen, and you thus couldn't trust his call on what was
off screen. Knowledge wasn't helping there.
Squier just got elderly & now has become The Poet of D500.
Weber has apparently taken over as Poet for the rest of NBC's races
Bob Jenkins has also gotten elderly. It's painful to listen to him
on Speed News Sat & Sun.

Quote:
Mike Joy is much better than Webber (who scripts his spiel,
incredibly enough), but even his call is not of the quality
he had a few years back. Personally, I blame it on the
"three buds in a bar" style which Fox wants out of the crew,
not any failing in Mike's abilities.

John
I wish Mike Joy would 'belly up to the bar' more often & pour
a cold one on his other 2 buds. I think every one of the
Pit Reporters are very good. I like Wally but BP is elderly now too.
JMHO,
CRU




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John McCoy
 
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Default Re: TV Deal - 12-15-2005 , 07:40 PM



"SimRacer" <nOspaM@simracer68 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in
news:rckof.3$CT.1 (AT) tornado (DOT) southeast.rr.com:

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I don't mind the laid back approach to the booth callers for Fox. It's
better than pure broadcast calling and dull technical color commentary
IMO.
To my mind, there's a little too much bonhomie, and too little
race calling. I'd be happier if Mike did rather more talking,
and the other two quite a bit less. YMMV, of course.

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That's why I've never called out BP or Wally from the NBC team.
They may be goofy at times, but there are worse ways for them to carry
on. And their antics are a badly needed offset for Webber's often dry
and bland delivery of his canned facts and mind-numbing soliloquies.
Yes, I could certainly stand to see Webber replaced. Now I
know that he writes himself scripts in advance, I understand
why his commentary sounds so weird.

I've become quite impressed with Dallenbach this year. His
comments on the race are substantive (unlike Benny's, which
have become increasingly trivial over the years), and his
joking around in the booth hasn't descended to playing the
fool, which is a line DW & Larry Mac have had a hard time
finding.

John


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John McCoy
 
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Default Re: TV Deal - 12-15-2005 , 07:49 PM



"Crusader" <cru32 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in news:40e5cpF19l989U1
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Bob Jenkins has also gotten elderly. It's painful to listen to him
on Speed News Sat & Sun.
That is unfortunate news, Jenkins was a good guy, and responsible
as much as anyone for the current standard of broadcasting. I
wonder if perhaps it might just be that his heart's not really
in the job, when it doesn't include race broadcasts.

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I think every one of the
Pit Reporters are very good.
Even Jeannie Z? But I agree with you, overall the current crop
of pit reporters are setting a very high standard. I could
wish they were a little more informative (instead of "made an
air pressure adjustment" or "added half a pound in the right
front", which is better, I'd like to hear "added half a pound
in the right front to loosen the car on entry", so we know
what the change was susposed to solve. Admittedly, it's hard
to fit all that in when 3 cars are all pitting in the same
12 second window.)

John


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jerry
 
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Default Re: TV Deal - 12-15-2005 , 08:11 PM




"John McCoy" <igopogo (AT) ix (DOT) netcom.com> wrote

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"Crusader" <cru32 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in news:40e5cpF19l989U1
@individual.net:

Bob Jenkins has also gotten elderly. It's painful to listen to him
on Speed News Sat & Sun.

That is unfortunate news, Jenkins was a good guy, and responsible
as much as anyone for the current standard of broadcasting. I
wonder if perhaps it might just be that his heart's not really
in the job, when it doesn't include race broadcasts.

I think every one of the
Pit Reporters are very good.

Even Jeannie Z? But I agree with you, overall the current crop
of pit reporters are setting a very high standard. I could
wish they were a little more informative (instead of "made an
air pressure adjustment" or "added half a pound in the right
front", which is better, I'd like to hear "added half a pound
in the right front to loosen the car on entry", so we know
what the change was susposed to solve.
But does adding half a pound to the right front always loosen up every car
on entry or would a different chassis with a different setup respond
differently to this adjustment?

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Alan Jones
 
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Default Car setup discussion - 12-15-2005 , 08:30 PM




Adding pressure to the front tires won't definitively make the car
loose or tight. It depends on the rear tire pressures, but will
usually make the car more tight. Adding pressure to the rear tires
will usually make the car more loose. Adding to the tire pressures
will help hold down heat and tire wear. Lower tire pressures will
provide more grip; 'bite'.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:11:22 GMT, "jerry" <ohah (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote:

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But does adding half a pound to the right front always loosen up every car
on entry or would a different chassis with a different setup respond
differently to this adjustment?


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Alan Jones
 
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Default Re: Car setup discussion - 12-15-2005 , 08:34 PM




Also: Loose and tight during entry, apex, and exit is usually a
shock and spring adjustment.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:30:33 GMT, Alan Jones <alan (AT) alanjones (DOT) us>
wrote:

Quote:
Adding pressure to the front tires won't definitively make the car
loose or tight. It depends on the rear tire pressures, but will
usually make the car more tight. Adding pressure to the rear tires
will usually make the car more loose. Adding to the tire pressures
will help hold down heat and tire wear. Lower tire pressures will
provide more grip; 'bite'.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:11:22 GMT, "jerry" <ohah (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote:

But does adding half a pound to the right front always loosen up every car
on entry or would a different chassis with a different setup respond
differently to this adjustment?


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